Please find enclosed the draw for the Harvey Norman National Youth Championships, Harvey Norman National Schools Cup, Alliance Cup and Masters Trans Tasman. The events will be held at the Sunshine Coast Stadium Kawana, from Wednesday 13th September to Sunday 17th SeptemberClick the attachment below to view the draw:NYC HNNSC AC MTTTS Draw Keep up-to-date with all of the latest news and information via the TFA social media channels.Website: www.touchfootball.com.auFacebook: www.facebook.com/touchfootballaustraliaTwitter: www.twitter.com/touchfootyausInstagram: www.instagram.com/touchfootballaustraliaYouTube: www.youtube.com/touchfootballaus
Inter Milan look to China for new shirt sponsorby Ian Ferrisa month agoSend to a friendShare the loveChinese real estate group Evergrande could become the main shirt sponsor of Inter Milan’s in 2021, according to Gazzetta dello Sport, reports, www.sportspromedia.com/.Exploratory talks have reportedly taken place between the two parties over potential partnerships in the future, including Evergrande possibly replacing long-term shirt sponsor Pirelli when the tyre brand’s contract with the club expires in 2021.The Italian club have had Pirelli’s logo on their kit dating back to the 1995/96 season, which currently earns them €10.5 million (US$11.6 million) per year, but Gazzetta says Inter owner Zhang Jindong is seeking greater revenue opportunities for the team as they bid to stay in touch with the rest of the European elite.Apparently helping Evergrande’s cause is that it has in the past worked closely with Jindong’s company Suning Holdings Group, which acquired a majority stake in Inter for a reported €270 million (US$299 million) back in June 2016.Evergrande is already closely involved with soccer after buying Chinese Super League team Guangzhou Evergrande in 2010, currently managed by former Inter defender Fabio Cannavaro. TagsSerie A NewsAbout the authorIan FerrisShare the loveHave your say
Unai Emery has revealed Arsenal are the first club to offer him a long-term project – dismissing any notion he could face the sack early into his spell in north London.The Spaniard signed a three-year deal upon arriving as Arsene Wenger’s successor in the summer, with reports suggesting the club have inserted a break clause after two seasons.Qualifying for next season’s Champions League is Emery’s priority this term and though the coach admits it will be tough, he’s confident he will not be put under any undue pressure if that goal is not attained. Article continues below Editors’ Picks ‘There is no creativity’ – Can Solskjaer get Man Utd scoring freely again? ‘Everyone legged it on to the pitch!’ – How Foden went from Man City superfan to future superstar Emery out of jail – for now – as brilliant Pepe papers over Arsenal’s cracks What is Manchester United’s ownership situation and how would Kevin Glazer’s sale of shares affect the club? “As a manager, I have always put myself under the pressure of the necessity to win,” he told Sky Sports.”You know that winning will allow you to either continue what you’re doing or to find another project. And you know that if you lose, they will take the project you already have away from you.”But at Arsenal, it’s maybe the first time I feel that I have the support to build up from the bottom in order to get where we want to be. “It allows us to work more for the long-term – or at least, ‘long-term’ in football terms. It supports the kind of work we want to do at this club.”After beginning his managerial career in his homeland – which included four years at Valencia – Emery moved to Spartak Moscow before returning to Spain with Sevilla.He won the Europa League three times at the Ramon Sanchez Pizjuan Stadium with limited resources, before moving to Paris Saint-Germain in 2016.Emery operated under immense pressure at the Parc des Princes and eventually left after just two campaigns, despite winning the French treble in his final season in charge.Therefore, the 47-year-old is relishing the opportunity to manage a long-term project in a country which he feels has a more programmatic outlook over what constitutes success.”After my experiences in Spain, in Russia and in France, I believe that here, people see football in a very distinct way,” he added.”As well as the teams being more competitive and tougher, I believe the fans feel football from the heart. “The question of whether you win, lose or draw is very important, but there is always a respect towards football beyond just the result.”That means you can do a more progressive job, a job based on building from the bottom without only thinking about results, because sometimes, a result can hide solid foundations.” Check out Goal’s Premier League 2019-20 fantasy football podcast for game tips, debate and rivalries.
zoom Construction of two supply vessels commissioned by the Russian oil company LUKOIL has started with a steel cutting ceremony held at the Keppel Nantong Shipyard Co. Ltd., China.Keppel Nantong ShipyardThe supply vessels will be 80.00 metres in length, with 16.50 metres of width, 6.20 metres of depth, a summer draft of 3.80 metres, and with a 1000 dwt.They are designed to supply resources to the Vladimir Filanovsky field development facilities in the northern part of the Caspian Sea and to ensure their safe operation.Completion of construction is scheduled for September 2015.In accordance with the Agreement on the classification of ships under construction, signed by RS and Keppel Nantong Shipyard in the spring of 2014, RS provides a full range of classification and statutory services during their construction.Survey during construction will be implemented by the RS Branch Office in China.When the vessels comply with all applicable international requirements and RS rules, they will be assigned the class notation КМ✪ Arc4  AUT1 ICS FF3WS DYNPOS-2 Supply Vessel.Ice model tests were successfully conducted on the hulls of this design in the ice model basin of Aker Arctic (Finland) in March 2014.The presence of Arc4 ice strengthening allows them to work effectively during the winter.The project also envisages equipping the vessels with systems to extinguish fires on fixed offshore platforms and at the transshipment terminal, as well as equipment to deal with oil spills.Moreover, as part of the project to develop the Vladimir Filanovsky field and further cooperation with LUKOIL, a rescue vessel is being built at the Singapore shipyard Keppel Singmarine Pte Ltd.June 23, 2014
Older people who have never taken part in exercise programmes have the same ability to build muscle mass as highly trained master athletes of a similar age, researchers have found. “Our study clearly shows that it doesn’t matter if you haven’t been a regular exerciser throughout your life, you can still derive benefit from exercise whenever you start.” “Obviously a long term commitment to good health and exercise is the best approach to achieve whole-body health, but even starting later on in life will help delay age-related frailty and muscle weakness,” study lead researcher said. Also Read – An income drop can harm brainThe study, published in Frontiers in Physiology, compared muscle-building ability in two groups of older men. The first group was classed as ‘master athletes’ with seven people in their 70s and 80s who are lifelong exercisers and still competing at top levels in their sport. In the second group, eight were healthy individuals of a similar age, who had never participated in structured exercise programmes. Each participant was given an isotope tracer, in the form of a drink of ‘heavy’ water and then took part in a single bout of exercise, involving weight training on an exercise machine. Also Read – Shallu Jindal honoured with Mahatma AwardThe researchers took muscle biopsies from participants in the 48 hour periods just before and just after the exercise and examined these to look for signs of how the muscles were responding to the exercise. The isotope tracer showed how proteins were developing within the muscle. The researchers had expected that the master athletes would have an increased ability to build muscle due to their superior levels of fitness over a prolonged time, but the results showed that both groups had an equal capacity to build muscle in response to exercise.
Best-selling author and world-renowned expert on mind-body medicine, Deepak Chopra, M.D., initiates a groundbreaking dialogue about the science of consciousness at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel in Beverly Hills, California, from Friday, September 9 to Sunday, September 11, 2016.Presented by The Chopra Foundation, the event offers attendees the opportunity to come together and learn from some of the world’s greatest minds in quantum consciousness, neuroscience, cosmology, physics, psychology, and spirituality as they tackle life’s toughest questions to reveal a more complete truth of our existence.The award-winning Berklee Indian Ensemble will perform live at the event on Friday, September 9.Internationally recognized musician, filmmaker, and humanitarian, Michael Franti, will perform live at the event on Saturday, September 10.“We are in the midst of a major paradigm shift in science. Scientists are now proving what the ancient sages have known for thousands of years. So, how does consciousness conceive, govern, construct and become the physical universe? How does our understanding of consciousness enhance our collective capacity for physical, emotional, spiritual, social, financial and ecological well-being?” said Deepak Chopra, M.D., F.A.C.P., founder of The Chopra Foundation. “Our panel of world-class scientists and sages will examine these and other questions, with a shared interest in finding common ground between science and wisdom.”Presenters include: World-renowned expert in cosmology and applied mathematics, George Ellis, Ph.D. Founder of Artocene, pioneer of the contemporary arts, medicine and health movement, Iva Fattorini, M.D., M.Sc. Theoretical astrophysicist, Katherine Freese. New York Times best-selling author, filmmaker, and professor of mathematics at the University of California, Berkeley Edward Frenkel. Anesthesiologist, professor and quantum consciousness expert Stuart Hameroff, M.D. Spirit-being, frequency addict, composer, artist, & DJ, Satya Hinduja. Award-winning science journalist and author, John Horgan. Psychologist and neuroscientist, Shamini Jain. Physicist and science writer, Menas C. Kafatos, Ph.D. Inventor of quantum neural computing and pioneering archaeoastronomer, Dr Subhash Kak. Artist, Jitish Kallat. World-renowned scientist and expert in metaphysics, Bernardo Kastrup, Ph.D. Professor at UCSD and co-founder of the American Gut Project, Rob Knight. International corporate strategist, investment banker and public intellectual with a doctorate in brain research, Robert Kuhn, Ph.D. Actress, producer, director, activist and businesswoman, Eva Longoria. Serial entrepreneur and business leader in Fortune 100 companies, Poonacha Machaiah. Expert in exploration of spiritual realities using innovative scientific approaches, Dr. Barnaby Marsh. Chair and Distinguished Professor of Neurosciences and Florence Riford Chair for Alzheimer Disease Research at UC San Diego School of Medicine, William C. Mobley, M.D., Ph.D. Professor of physics and astrophysics at the University of California, Santa Cruz, Joel R, Primack, Ph.D. President of Berklee College of Music, cofounder of Bright Horizons Family Solutions, and an international relief agency manager, Roger H. Brown. Political activist, speaker, and supermodel, Cameron Russell. Master integrator of big data to construct predictive models of disease and wellness, Dr. Eric Schadt. Senior media executive, former ABC news journalist, and chief curator of Discovery Communications’ Curiosity Project, Richard Sergay. New York Times bestselling author and pioneer in the integrative field of Interpersonal Neurobiology, Dr. Dan Siegel. Founder of Ashtanga Yoga New York, Eddie Stern. Professor of neurology and holder of the Joseph P. and Rose F. Kennedy Endowed Chair in Neurology at Harvard University, Rudolph E. Tanzi, Ph.D. Model and founder of Strala Yoga, Tara Stiles. Award-winning and internationally acclaimed soul chant musician, Chandrika Tandon. Professor of pathology and of medicine at the Beth Israel Medical Center of Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Neil Theise, M.D. Spiritual leader, Reverend Mpho A. Tutu.For more information and to purchase tickets for the Sages & Scientists Symposium 2016 visit: www.chopra.com/programs/sages-scientist/sages-scientists-2016.
“I don’t think many were anticipating a heroic recovery despite the fact that the recession was quite deep. Oil production should grow despite some of the challenges in terms of pipelines. That’ll get us two per cent which is not heroic.”Burleton said Alberta’s economy is within a year of returning “home” _ a term used to characterize full recovery from a recession. However, it could be another two years before the job market fully recovers.“Employment is back to where it was pre-recession, but a lot of the jobs are self-employment, more of a freelance type,” he said.“Employers are kind of slow to bring back hiring and part of that does reflect the lacklustre investment outlook over the next couple of years.”The report also notes that government hiring, primarily in the health and education sectors, rose by nearly 10 per cent. Private sector jobs fell by five per cent during the recession.Burleton said the lack of investment in Alberta, particularly in the oil and gas sector, remains a concern. Late last month the Federal Court of Appeal quashed cabinet approval of the Trans Mountain expansion project.The forecast says there is reason for optimism, including the resiliency of global oil demand and limited supply outside of Alberta, and decreasing production costs. CALGARY, A.B. – TD Bank says Alberta’s battered economy is headed in the right direction, but warns there are still a number of hurdles that could hinder recovery.A report released Thursday by deputy chief economist Derek Burleton is predicting economic growth between two and 2 1/2 per cent for Alberta in the next year which follows an increase of nearly 4.9 per cent in 2017.“It was a nice bounce back last year, but growth is settling down this year and we’re of the mind that you’re gonna get a continued moderate growth run over the next couple of years as the economy kinds of settles down,” Burleton said in an interview. “I think that’s the Achilles heel for recovery so far. It is basically the missing element,” he said.“Investment is not going to be catching fire soon. We’re not anticipating a lot of growth over the next few years and clearly there are some hurdles there.”Burleton said Alberta could reassert itself as a leader in growth, but only if it deals with inadequate pipeline capacity, regulatory hurdles, and eliminating the government’s budget deficit.“We still are of the mind that the economy will reassert itself,” he said. “It may be a bit at odds given the timing of this report just after the Trans Mountain decision and some of the concerns around the oil and gas sector.”
Rabat – Morocco produced 6.6 billion eggs in 2018, 5.8 billion of which were produced in the formal sector, the National Association of Egg Producers (ANPO) has announced in Casablanca.The average egg consumption per person per year, according to ANPO Vice President Abdellatif Ezzaim, significantly increased between 2010 and 2018, from 138 to 185 eggs. However, the consumption level remains very low compared to global figures.Morocco produced sufficient eggs for the Moroccan market’s demand, creating a surplus to be exported to other African countries, Ezzaim said Tuesday at a press briefing on National Egg Day. In April last year, Ukraine’s state food service announced that the Moroccan government gave the green light to open the Moroccan market to Ukrainian chicken and meat.Read Also: Morocco to Import Eggs From UkraineAlthough local production met Morocco’s demand for eggs, in December, the two countries agreed on a veterinary certificate to allow Morocco to import egg products from Ukraine.Morocco observed the 11th National Egg Day under the theme “the Importance of the Egg in the Diet” this year. The objective, explained Ezzaim, is to encourage people to consume eggs by increasing consumers’ awareness of the benefits of eggs as a nutritious and balanced daily food. Egg Day also sought to counter misconceptions about egg consumption.Ezzaim added that the egg production sector has received an estimated cumulative investment of MAD 3.4 billion, and annual revenue in the sector is MAD 8.6 billion.Read Also: Morocco Produces 5.5 Billion Eggs, Consumes 180 Per CapitaThe vice president of ANPO pointed out that the egg sector employs 23,000 people directly and nearly 34,000 people indirectly in marketing and distribution channels.Morocco has 3 approved hatcheries producing 15 million chicks, 252 farms authorized to rear laying hens, 5 approved packaging centers, and 3 egg processing units, according to 2016 statistics.ANPO is a professional non-profit organization founded in 1995. It is a founding member of Morocco’s Interprofessional Federation of the Poultry Sector (FISA). ANPO’s purpose is to show the economic benefits of the egg sector and to study measures to improve the sector’s organization, its distribution, marketing methods, and adaptations to the market’s demands.
Niagara Regional Police Service says a missing 81-year-old woman has been found safe. Constintina Mussari was reported missing early Tuesday in the area of Ferry St. and Main St.Police issued a news release asking for the public’s help in locating the senior as they were concerned for her welfare.She was located around 9:15 a.m. in Niagara Falls.
As the Guyana Police Force (GPF) makes inroads to clamp down on the theft of stolen vehicles, several persons- including an ex-policeman- were arrested during the wee hours of Tuesday morning following a 10 hour operation that started on Monday which led officers to the discovery of motor vehicle parts in the vicinity of Kuru Kururu, Soesdyke/Linden Highway. Based on information received, the operation which was conducted by ranks attached to the Police “A” Division concluded at around 03:00hrs on Tuesday morning. INews was informed that the original vehicle bearing this registration number was written off by an insurance company but is now on a car that was brought from SurinameAs a result, two motorcars along with a canter truck, which is registered to a Barr Street, Kitty, Georgetown resident, loaded with the shell of a silver Toyota Spacio and a quantity of vehicle parts, suspected to have been stolen or unlawfully obtained, were seized and lodged.INews was informed that two of suspects are taxi drivers, three are electricians, one is a mechanic and two are labourers that are reportedly employed by the ex-policeman. This publication was also reliably informed that another team of officers have descended on the community of Yarrowkabra, located on the Linden/Soesdyke Highway in search of other vehicles and parts suspected to have been stolen or unlawfully obtained.A police source confirmed that they are in possession of information about the illegal trade of vehicles in the Yarrowkabra area.The latest find comes on the heels of another intelligence led operation conducted in the vicinity of Swan on the Soesdyke/Linden Highway on Sunday last resulting in the recovery of a quantity of vehicle parts which appeared to have been abandoned on an empty lot.INews understands that the operation was conducted between 14:00hrs and 19:40hrs on the day in question.Ranks recovered two half cuts belonging to Toyota Allions, completely stripped, along with one crashed gold Toyota Spacio- both were without chassis and number plates.One of the Toyota Allion half cutsThe vehicles are currently lodged at the Brickdam Police Station as investigations continue.No arrests have been made in this regard.Prior to this find, on Saturday last intelligence work by the GPF led them to two locations where a quantity of vehicle parts and several vehicles suspected to have been stolen were found.The first property located at Monument Hill, Kuru Kururu, Soesdyke/Linden Highway was descended upon by ‘A’ Division ranks who conducted a search and discovered various parts and vehicles suspected to have been stolen.Five persons including an ex-policeman and four females were taken into custody.The second location that officers descended upon was at Vryheid’s Lust North, East Coast Demerara (ECD) where a quantity of Allion, Premio and Spacio parts with engraved numbers were unearthed.A couple living on the premises were arrested.According to police, those persons who were arrested on Saturday last are still in custody assisting with investigations. Share this:Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window)Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window)RelatedYarrowkabra raid of suspected stolen vehicles, parts leads to more arrestsFebruary 14, 2018In “Crime”2 vehicles intercepted, 4 detained as carjacking busts continueMarch 22, 2018In “Crime”Suspected mastermind of carjacking ring being hunted- PoliceFebruary 15, 2018In “Crime”
Videos Articles Adam Martin RELATED ARTICLESMORE FROM AUTHOR Alliance of American Football originally planned to buy XFL name from WWE and NBC Pinterest Now Playing Up Next Jerry Lawler sues Hardeman County for $3 Million over death of his son Brian Lawler Sonia Sotomayor Felicity Huffman goes to court for sentencing Samuel Alito Videos Articles Now Playing Up Next Twitter Anthem argues Jeff Jarrett and GFE have failed to show claim of copyright infringement Georgia man fights for gay rights at Supreme Court Amber Heard demands drug documents from Johnny Depp Gwyneth Paltrow Was A Key Figure In The Harvey Weinstein Case Now Playing Up Next WWE issued the following statement on Thursday responding to the wrongful death lawsuit reportedly filed by Cassandra Frazier, the widow of the late Nelson Frazier Jr. (aka Big Daddy V/Viscera/Mabel). WWE has noted that have yet to be served with the lawsuit.“WWE has not been served with a lawsuit by Cassandra Frazier. If served, we will vigorously contest this lawsuit brought by the same lawyers who haev been soliciting people to sue WWE without merit.”You can read the original report about the wrongful death lawsuit at the link below.Wrongful death lawsuit filed against WWE on WednesdayRecommended videosPowered by AnyClipGeorgia man fights for gay rights at Supreme CourtVideo Player is loading.Play VideoPauseUnmuteDuration 2:22/Current Time 0:05Loaded: 48.58%0:05Remaining Time -2:17 FullscreenUp NextThis is a modal window.Beginning of dialog window. Escape will cancel and close the window.TextColorWhiteBlackRedGreenBlueYellowMagentaCyanTransparencyOpaqueSemi-TransparentBackgroundColorBlackWhiteRedGreenBlueYellowMagentaCyanTransparencyOpaqueSemi-TransparentTransparentWindowColorBlackWhiteRedGreenBlueYellowMagentaCyanTransparencyTransparentSemi-TransparentOpaqueFont Size50%75%100%125%150%175%200%300%400%Text Edge StyleNoneRaisedDepressedUniformDropshadowFont FamilyProportional Sans-SerifMonospace Sans-SerifProportional SerifMonospace SerifCasualScriptSmall CapsReset restore all settings to the default valuesDoneClose Modal DialogEnd of dialog window.Replay the list Videos Articles Facebook Neil Gorsuch Now Playing Up Next Google+ Now Playing Up Next WhatsApp Court Revives Seth Rich Lawsuit Against Fox News
00:00 00:00 spaceplay / pause qunload | stop ffullscreenshift + ←→slower / faster ↑↓volume mmute ←→seek . seek to previous 12… 6 seek to 10%, 20% … 60% XColor SettingsAaAaAaAaTextBackgroundOpacity SettingsTextOpaqueSemi-TransparentBackgroundSemi-TransparentOpaqueTransparentFont SettingsSize||TypeSerif MonospaceSerifSans Serif MonospaceSans SerifCasualCursiveSmallCapsResetSave SettingsAfter a year-long feasibility study, Caltrans has determined a physical suicide deterrent option is suitable for the Coronado Bridge.The study is a response to community concerns about suicides from the bridge.Even though the ultimate mission is to deter people from jumping off the bridge, Caltrans does not want to take away from the views or harm the environment.As well as narrowing the options for the perfect barrier, Caltrans’s next steps are to define the funding needs and the funding sources. Caltrans determines suicide deterrent barrier suitable for Coronado Bridge KUSI Newsroom, KUSI Newsroom June 7, 2018 Posted: June 7, 2018 Categories: Local San Diego News FacebookTwitter
PORTLAND — First day of the second semester, and the Blazers nailed the initial quiz. Granted, this was one of those open-book, just-make-sure-you-show-up-to-class freebies, but still. After finishing the first half of the season just one game above .500, Portland aims to go from keeping its head above water to sitting safely on the shore. It took that first stroke Monday, scoring a season-high point total and beating Minnesota, 113-102. A win over the Timberwolves (10-32) is common for most NBA teams, but for the Blazers in particular. Monday marked the 15th time Portland finished the game with more points than Minnesota, and two stats helped explain why: The season-high 38 points the Blazers scored in the third quarter, and the career-high 37 points LaMarcus Aldridge scored in the game. Going head-to-head with Kevin Love, arguably his primary competition for a spot on the Western Conference All Star team, Aldridge delivered a persuasive argument by hitting 15 of his 24 field goal attempts and nabbing 12 rebounds. Regardless of who was guarding him, he dissected Minnesota in the post, off pick and rolls and on the offensive glass. Whether Aldridge ends up suiting up or kicking back during All-Star weekend remains to be seen, but seeing how he is averaging 27.4 points and 10.3 rebounds in 2011, he doesn’t need to convince anybody in Portland of his capabilities.
WEST MIAMI-DADE, FLA. (WSVN) – Rescue crews transported a child and his mother to the hospital following an incident at Gator Park in West Miami-Dade.Miami-Dade Fire Rescue crews responded to the scene at the 24000 block of Southwest Eighth Street, Tuesday afternoon.7Skyforce hovered over the scene as the child was treated and placed on a gurney with his mother.They were riding on an airboat.Officials said the child had somehow injured his hand on a dock. The extent of the child’s injury is unknown, but his hand was bandaged at the scene.Rescue crews first received reports of a gator bite, but the call was cancelled.Copyright 2019 Sunbeam Television Corp. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Bangladesh Sadharon Chhatra Adhikar Sankrakkhan Parishad leaders and activists stage demonstration in Shahbag intersection demanding reform in existing quota system in public services.Prime minister Sheikh Hasina has asked the authorities concerned to submit a report to her after scrunity of the existing quota system in public service.She issued such an order at the the cabinet meeting on Monday as protests by students and jobseekers demanding reform in quota system escalated across the country since Sunday.Cabinet secretary Md Shafiul Alam briefed newsmen about the government’s latest stance on the quota system after the meeting.The government has brought certain reforms in the system by taking a decision to fill in posts of different government jobs that would remain vacant for not getting eligible candidates from the quota, by the candidates drawn from the merit lists.UNB reports, the public administration ministry will scrutinise the existing quota system and inform the prime minister about its current state, said the cabinet secretary.”No decision was taken at the meeting on the quota system in public service but it must be scrutinised,” Shafiul Alam said.
Map of California locating active fires as of 9 November, and focusing on the ravaged town of Paradise. Photo: AFPThe number of people missing in one of California’s deadliest wildfires soared to more than 600 on Thursday as the remains of seven additional victims were found by rescuers.Authorities said the list of missing people had jumped from 300 to 631 during the day as investigators went back and reviewed emergency calls made when the so-called Camp Fire in northern California erupted on 8 November.”I want you to understand that the chaos we were dealing with was extraordinary” when the fire broke out, Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea told journalists, in explaining the staggering new toll of missing.The seven additional victims brings to 63 the number of people who have died in the Camp Fire.At least three other people have died in southern California in another blaze dubbed the Woolsey Fire, which engulfed parts of Malibu, destroying the homes of several celebrities.- Trump to visit -President Donald Trump is set to visit the western state on Saturday to meet with victims of the wildfires, believed to be the deadliest and most destructive in the state’s history.Many of the victims and the hundreds missing in the Camp Fire were elderly people who lived in the Butte County town of Paradise, in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains. It is believed they were unable to flee the fast-moving blaze or were trapped in their cars as they attempted to escape the inferno.Honea said the number of those missing was likely to fluctuate as people call in to report loved ones unaccounted for or found alive.”If you look at that list and see your name, or the name of a friend or loved one, please call to let us know,” he said.Investigators on Thursday collected DNA samples from relatives to help identify victims as hundreds of rescue personnel and sniffer dogs worked to locate more victims.Authorities said a wanted felon was killed inside the evacuation zone Thursday following a high-speed chase with police. The man was wanted for a double homicide in 2014 and had been seen for three days camped out in his car.Virtually every home in Paradise, located 80 miles (130 kilometres) north of the state capital Sacramento, was destroyed by the fire, which was driven by high winds.Body recovery teams are conducting a painstaking search of burned-out homes for human remains in the town and closely examining the many charred cars littering the roads.The 63 deaths reported from the Camp Fire make it the deadliest wildfire in California’s history, as the inferno also became the most destructive.- ‘A war zone’ -The California fire department (Cal Fire) said Thursday that the Camp Fire has destroyed 141,000 acres (56,655 hectares) and was 40 per cent contained.It said nearly 5,500 firefighters were battling the blaze and it did not expect it to be fully contained for another two weeks.The Camp Fire has destroyed more than 8,650 single family homes and 260 commercial buildings, Cal Fire said.The Woolsey Fire has razed 98,000 acres (39,660 hectares) and has been 62 per cent contained. It is expected to be fully contained by Monday.Authorities said cooler temperatures and calmer winds had brought welcome relief to fire crews.A number of celebrities have lost their homes in Malibu as a result of the Woolsey inferno, including Pierce Brosnan, Miley Cyrus, Neil Young, Robin Thicke, Shannen Doherty and Gerard Butler.California Governor Jerry Brown, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and Brock Long, head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), toured the damage in Paradise on Wednesday.”This is so devastating that I don’t really have the words to describe it,” Brown told a press conference. “It looks like a war zone.”Authorities said it was unclear when residents would be allowed back into the town.While the cause of the Camp Fire is still under investigation, a lawsuit has been filed against the local power company, PG&E, by fire victims claiming negligence by the utility.The complaint alleged that the fire began on 8 November when a high voltage transmission line failed, igniting tinder-dry vegetation.The utility was found to be responsible for several devastating fires in northern California last fall that killed at least 15 people, and it faces billions of dollars in liability for the latest wildfires.
Emily McFarlan Miller emmillerwrites February 26, 2019 at 11:50 am TS (unami) says: I’ll say as the person previously stated that that is somewhat demeaning. Either you assuming that Africans are ignorant or stupid . They need to counseled on how to do better because their agency should be compromised. While I may disagree with some of the laws that penalize same sex relationships and other that do much worse, attitudes in Africa are not simply a result of colonialism. It is a incorrect to reduce attitudes to Christian missionaries when there is no proof that each of the 5000+ cultures in Africa accepted same sex relationships and queer identities. To date I’ve only seen perhaps 7-8 cultures where it was celebrated or tolerated. Africa contain a multitude of languages, cultures, and beliefs. For example the same way there are still cultures (muslim, christian, or indigenous belief affiliated) that practice female circumcision there are cultures that if you removed Christianity today and British penal laws would still not react to same sex relationships or practices favorably.Instead of blaming colonialism and taking away the agency of Africans (the same way the church may have done to the lgbt community at times) give these cultures time to change in their own way. No two cultures/societies on earth are the same and culture is dynamic (not static), so give them time to adapt and change to new (or maybe old) realities. If you are so inclined support lgbt activists on the ground instead of demeaning the cultures that they are still a part of. Because I agree with his assessment — which you’ve relentlessly missed the point of.He did NOT say any ONE was “useless.” He said the FIGURE of 7% was useless to the purpose for which it was brought up.If you’re not capable of recognizing a basic conceptual distinction like that (or unwilling to), retreat to your safe-space bubble, where nothing you believe in will be challenged. Photos of the Week August 30, 2019 TS (unami) says: Shawnie5 says: Wait wait wait? Are you saying that there are good and bad people of every gender, orientation, and such? Calling a Eunich gay is a stretch. The 2nd half of 12 saying that some choose it to serve the kingdom suggests that he is merely saying some are born with the gift of not marrying (sexless life) while others choose to do so through an act of will so they may serve the kingdom in a completely dedicated manner. No, Jesus spoke out against *divorce* in Matthew. He never made a treatise on marriage and he never excluded gay people from a lifetime married relationship. February 27, 2019 at 1:55 pm Amen brother he will return. I am not sure about the 60 years but it could be. The most important thing is to be ready as he will come like a thief in the night. March 5, 2019 at 5:43 pm February 26, 2019 at 8:34 am D.M.S. says: By: Emily McFarlan Miller emmillerwrites A minority that you hate apparently. February 25, 2019 at 11:10 pm Otto, it’s not his viewpoint that makes me angry, but that he does so in the name of God. A gay person is gay because God made them gay. The love they have for their family was put there by God and is a reflection of God’s love. Who are you to call it evil? If a person has been given the gift of the Gospel by God, who are you to silence that voice? God gave that gay person a voice in order that it be heard; not silenced by arrogant exclusion. Man has decided that being gay is evil, disordered and sinful. These words have never come from God, but from the lips of man. February 25, 2019 at 10:53 pm February 27, 2019 at 5:27 pm rushevents says: February 26, 2019 at 12:39 am February 25, 2019 at 11:18 pm Yet, none of that was homosexual February 26, 2019 at 11:44 am Joe Sherrill says: Quote Jesus saying a single negative thing about any LGBTQ human being, ever…And you still didn’t answer my question directly — did God make you straight or not? February 27, 2019 at 10:07 am Yes, exactly, @disqus_V7xIj9FpyQ:disqus Sandi in EL says: Adam says: Tacitus says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: Christians, using Pew’s 2015 figures, are down to their last 2.3 billion members. Of course, I shouldn’t say down because the number of Christians has been growing and is projected to continue to grow. Most other major religious groups are projected to grow as well. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/04/24/the-world-is-expected-to-become-more-religious-not-less/?utm_term=.21112500c0a8 and http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/05/christians-remain-worlds-largest-religious-group-but-they-are-declining-in-europe/What is changing is the growth and impact of Christianity in the Global South. This growth impacted the Methodist vote. See, for example, https://juicyecumenism.com/2019/02/23/african-united-methodists-wont-trade-bible-for-dollars/ February 26, 2019 at 5:26 pm March 5, 2019 at 5:22 pm Meaning if they’re not denominationally “Orthodox” then they’re not authentically Christian? I don’t think that was your intended meaning. Adam says: The literal translation of the word “pais” is “special servant” with an element of ownership. It’s exact meaning depends on the context it is actually used. The word “gay” itself is similar to this. Use one way, it refers to a person’s sexuality. Use another, it simply means “happy.” Regarding the word “pais,” when used in reference to a Centurion, it refers to a person under the control of the Centurion (an ownership element), who was physically involved with the Centurion. When used in reference to Jesus’s relationship with God, it (obviously) takes on a more platonic meaning, but with still the same ownership and control.I know you want to hate gay people, or at least feel like you’re their moral superior, but you simply aren’t. Climb down off your pedestal. LOL. Sodom and Gomorrah was not about homosexuality! If you still believe that misinterpretation then it is no wonder you believe the others. You fail to distinguish leading the church from going to church. All sinners (that’s ALL of us) are welcome to attend, but those not willing to try to repent of ALL sin aren’t called to lead. February 25, 2019 at 7:48 pm March 6, 2019 at 1:19 pm March 5, 2019 at 9:19 pm ChuckW says: If “head” means ultimate leader, of course I agree that Jesus is the head of the Christian Church. But you argued against me for saying that “Jesus wasn’t the only original church leader.” And that’s also true. Ben in Oakland says: As long as they include in the lens of Christ, the Christ in Revelation who judges. Christ was not some syrupy guy whotold people what they wanted to hear. He was warning people what God expects of them. It got Him killed….. February 26, 2019 at 1:12 pm February 25, 2019 at 9:55 pm February 26, 2019 at 8:40 am February 26, 2019 at 9:40 am As I said, I call it as I see it . One must interpret the Bible through the lens of CHRIST — *not* the other way around! OttoZeit says: Ben in Oakland says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 25, 2019 at 11:48 pm February 27, 2019 at 10:05 am February 26, 2019 at 10:06 am Wcharnock says: March 5, 2019 at 6:47 pm February 26, 2019 at 2:34 pm If I might offer, an even better book, in my opinion is Walking the Bridgeless Canyon (Repairing the breach between the Church and the LGBT community) by Kathy Baldock. It is a through examination of the historical, cultural, psychological, medical, social, and religious lenses through which LGBT people have been viewed that has resulted in decades of distortion. TS (unami) says: March 1, 2019 at 8:18 am Whoa. But alright, yeah! Sandi in EL says: Terra Jones says: February 27, 2019 at 4:27 pm yes, the quote did say it as it is, eh? February 26, 2019 at 11:15 am IKR? How could that *ever* be so?(*clutching my pearls*) kso721 says: Parker12 says: Also you know (nothing) and therefore you are. HpO says: February 26, 2019 at 10:16 am February 26, 2019 at 7:05 pm Christ did not spend the years teaching Paul. Stop being disingenuous! February 25, 2019 at 10:06 pm February 26, 2019 at 9:32 am TS (unami) says: February 25, 2019 at 10:08 pm Shawnie5 says: TS (unami) says: February 25, 2019 at 11:03 pm TS (unami) says: “The Bible is the word of God“ ancient men claiming to quote a god whose existence has never come close to being proven. Why did they do that? First of all, people in general wanted an explanation of their existence. Secondly, as in all societies, their are some individuals who seek a way of gaining power/control/dominion over the entire society, and they are certainly among the writers of the Bible. And certainly there were other writers who were simply documenting their fantasies and delusions that emanated from desperate efforts to explain their existence despite the profound ignorance of the time-period. This is a fundamental tenet of Christianity…Many Protestant Churches are in Hersey…fact… And you, Romanian Empress, enjoy your Fellowship of the Ring with Frédéric Martel, Jussie Smollett, Ed Buck & Terry Bean! TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 4:27 pm Joe, they voted in the plan for the church to remain traditional. HpO says: February 25, 2019 at 10:13 pm February 26, 2019 at 10:20 am March 5, 2019 at 4:59 pm TS (unami) says: No you didn’t. You avoided it. Only or not? The fact that you’re avoiding it implies an intent to purposely be ambiguous. Terra Jones says: Richard Rush says: very bold of you to claim to know the will of the creator of the entire universe, based on a book. February 26, 2019 at 6:58 pm So you don’t think God created human beings? Interesting…And Jesus never said a single negative thing against any LGBTQ human being. Are you denying that Jesus Christ is GOD, Mr. DMS? February 28, 2019 at 8:51 pm Carl Longren says: February 26, 2019 at 1:37 pm Slicey says: February 26, 2019 at 12:14 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:53 pm I guess you didn’t get that when you spell “Orthodox Christianity “ (with a big “O”), you are referring to the religious denomination, not to orthodox (little “o”) beliefs. OttoZeit says: February 26, 2019 at 12:05 pm February 26, 2019 at 5:24 pm March 5, 2019 at 10:17 pm February 25, 2019 at 10:34 pm Wcharnock says: February 25, 2019 at 11:37 pm No, Fundamentalists are the Idolators, who worship a book rather than the Living Christ. February 28, 2019 at 10:02 am Shawnie5 says: Religion is not based on facts so it’s like debating the threads on the Emperor’s New Clothes. It’s a waste of time and all it does it hurt people. Christians sure aren’t celebrating divorce and adultery like progressives celebrate homosexuality. Edna Hakenson says: February 26, 2019 at 12:18 am D.M.S. says: March 5, 2019 at 8:08 pm February 26, 2019 at 1:27 am Not true that there’s no room. Even if the text remains the same, people’s interpretation does not, and no two Christians will ever agree to the exact same interpretation of the Bible. If you believe otherwise, you’re fooling yourself. February 26, 2019 at 12:43 pm Paul didn’t want anyone to be married. But conceded it was okay, though not preferable as a way to follow Jesus and be close to God. CC, they crossed the line when they rejected Christ Edna Hakenson says: Sydney Morning Herald? smh(dot)com(dot)au? JD says: Spuddie says: What??? KennyCraig says: Methodists are offering to let the liberal churches leave, and do whatever they want, keeping their buildings and pensions. Yet when the liberals took over the Episcopal demomination, they kept the church buildings, buildings generations of petitioners poured their blood, sweat tears and treasure into. The Methodists have had enough of the lies, deception, double dealing and bait and switch that is all the liberals ever offer. They know the serpent for what it is, and know their only survival is to get it out of the tent. TS (unami) says: Just the facts. This link shows a graph of the unemployment rate over the last 5 years. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment Jesus’ admonition “Judge not that ye be not judged.” is misinterpreted by many as “we are never to judge.” But that was not Jesus’ meaning. He proceeded to say “First, remove the log from your own eye, then you will be better able to help your neighbor remove the speck from his eye.” So, the first step is self-purification. Then we will be better equipped to love our neighbor, because we have a clearer vision of reality, and can warn our neighbor when we see them in danger. Would a parent be loving if they never warned their child about the danger of playing in the street? Love is a commitment to help each other grow mentally and spiritually. (ref. psychotherapist M. Scott Peck’s “The Road Less Traveled” He says mental/spiritual health are one and the same, and that love is the willingness to nurture one’s own and others’ mental/spiritual health. Also, that “Mental health is an ongoing process of dedication to reality at all costs.” and that “Mental health requires that the human will submit itself to something higher than itself.”) D.M.S. says: February 26, 2019 at 10:48 pm Sandi in EL says: TS (unami) says: Why would anyone want to be your token? We at ELCA will be looking forward to welcoming your cast offs into both our families and ministries with open arms. February 26, 2019 at 5:35 pm ChuckW says: February 25, 2019 at 10:25 pm Joe, there are many sins pointed out in the bible. Adultery, stealing, murder, coveting, even lusting over another to name a few. Are you saying these people should also be excluded from the church?As a reminder, with the exception of well visits, healthy people do not go to doctors. Even if you keep the LGBTQ community out of the church, it will still be full of sinners. February 25, 2019 at 7:03 pm I relate what Christ has taught. D.M.S. says: And still, whatever your point is… it’s boring and meaningless. February 26, 2019 at 12:12 am ChuckW says: DougH says: Shawnie5 says: TO WHOM THIS MAY CONCERN:7 seems to be the numbers on average, of homosexuals in various populations, according to “Demographics of sexual orientation” and “LGBT demographics of the United States” by Wikipedia’s cited sources:Brazil 2013 = 7%Ireland 2006 = 7.1%Italy 2011 = 6.7%Japan 2012 = 7.6%Mexico 2017 = 6%Spain 2017 = 6%UK 2017 = 7%USA 2017 = 7% Sandi in EL says: TS (unami) says: I never said that. I’ve asked you *repeatedly* to show where GOD reprimanded then for having so many wives!! March 5, 2019 at 3:19 pm Homosexality is an abomination…it is Demonic…nonsense…Judging???? aren’t you doing that in leaving??? We will be fine in living in the standard of God’s Word…Jesus said and John the Baptist said…bring forth fruits that show your repentance…Paul said have no fellowship with the works of Darkness…Stop endorsing Homsexuality…Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand… February 26, 2019 at 12:13 pm February 25, 2019 at 10:51 pm Don’t be modest, jamann1, curtsy is allowed, to the glory of God & Jesus. For indeed through His beloved Son, we’re now capable of “proving what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.” But Terra Jones here? Forget about it! Catholicism Some of those laws are stated again in the New Testament. Which still makes them law. If they’re not mentioned in the New Testament we don’t have to abide in them. The one who committed the infidelity is.But the one who didn’t isnt.Btw:The clerk in Kentucky, the one who refused to give marriage licenses to gays.Under GOD is she in adulterous sin in her marriage now? March 6, 2019 at 3:24 pm C C says: It “mean[s]” the sharp exact opposite of what “the ethics of ancient desert locked middle-eastern tribes people [being] somehow the word of god(s)” – “mean[s]”!!!!!!! Ben in Oakland says: TS (unami) says: February 25, 2019 at 10:37 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:54 pm March 4, 2019 at 5:25 pm You’re wasting my time.Have a good evening. February 26, 2019 at 11:40 pm D.M.S. says: Reread the passage again. It’s about lifelong commitment and his admonition against *divorce* — not a treatise on marriage. bmayer504 says: February 25, 2019 at 11:04 pm Shamu says: Widuran says: February 25, 2019 at 11:06 pm Slicey says: February 25, 2019 at 9:04 pm Vickey says: It’s what ‘ Humans ‘ do best. In allReligions. LGBT is an abomination to God February 26, 2019 at 11:22 pm March 5, 2019 at 5:30 pm Slicey says: February 25, 2019 at 11:15 pm February 27, 2019 at 4:40 pm Religious_Left says: Well goody, goody, goody for you – you’ve “dealt” with your same-sex attraction. I predict that in just a few years you’ll follow the same path many have trod who led others in the path of so-called “conversion therapy” only to realize years later that everything they were taught, everything they were teaching others, was a sham. Sexual orientation is immutable. You can deny it, you can bury it, you can try to pray it away, but it’s no different than praying for a different hair color – it won’t happen. In the end I pity you, but not much, since what you are advocating is an evil lie that results, ultimately, in suicide in many cases. God’s word does indeed stand forever, but our understanding of it is what must change in light of new revelation. Those who advocate for theological calcification preach a dying message that young people especially are no longer buying, and for good reason. March 6, 2019 at 4:07 pm Sandi in EL says: February 25, 2019 at 11:09 pm We’ve already established that this scenario involves Christians.Look at you twist and turn! February 26, 2019 at 9:38 pm God. There is no further authority. February 26, 2019 at 9:16 pm February 25, 2019 at 10:15 pm February 26, 2019 at 6:16 pm ChuckW says: Wrong again. All sins are sins in God’s eye.The only difference is some repent of their sins while others celebrate and flaunt them; and, desire others to accept their sinfulness. February 26, 2019 at 1:34 pm Only on your paranoid superstitious mythology.And still hateful. Widuran says: Why are you repeating this? February 26, 2019 at 12:37 am TS (unami) says: TS (unami) says: David Carver says: D.M.S. says: HpO says: Elagabalus says: Very well said, Bi! 🙂 TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 2:48 pm February 25, 2019 at 9:58 pm February 26, 2019 at 2:56 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:33 pm Slicey says: Don’t worry, Elagabalus. Like Dracula on steroids, the so-called “One Church Plan” is STILL very much alive. Ain’t dead at all, nope. This scheme is driven by some of the biggest, most influential clergy within Methodism. It’s gonna get a LOT of votes this week. This is not a Church Unity plan — this is a Gay Activist plan. Goliath won’t abandon this one without a fight. This plan permanently disconnects the Methodist Church from its own Bible.Nobody knows who’s gonna win yet, so I hope the Bible-believers won’t let this little “committee decision” put them to sleep. Again, this ultimate war is so very simple: Vote for the Bible or vote for Gay Goliath. Winner WILL take all !! People leave homosexuality all the time.Christ taught, “And such were some of you,” indicating that they had been cleansed of their homosexuality She’s regurgitating Boswell, who made the same bogus claim. Since I wasn’t there, cannot answer that question. Can state that God has mercy on who He chooses to have mercy,so guessing He made a way. The important fact today is we CAN read scripture for ourselves. “Biblically based,” as interpreted by a bunch of uptight heterosexuals. D.M.S. says: “unrepentant person who engages in the sin of same sex intercourse”Your words Adam“they have prioritized sin over God”Your words again.“That person cannot be given the responsibility of leading others to God”Again your words. And they are painful.Sinful, less than, not worthy. All words to punish gay people for simply being who they are, wanting to be in a loving relationship, and somehow get through life just like you. No one has the right to hurt another, especially in the name of God. You’re welcome to walk away from your words. I wish you would. February 26, 2019 at 11:27 am You look for cheap excuses to avoid what is plainly obvious from the scripture. Adding new conditions and carve outs to suit your personal need to act badly to others. You create your own meaning to suit your needs and avoid personal responsibility. As I mentioned earlier, people like yourself use scripture and notions of sin to attack others but are too hypocritical and dishonest to apply the same to themselves. You are afraid of being judged for your sins and seek to avoid mention of it.The plank before your eyes is far from removed or even noticed. You are using your time to deal with specks in others. February 26, 2019 at 12:20 am March 5, 2019 at 4:01 pm February 25, 2019 at 9:21 pm February 25, 2019 at 11:35 pm Not meaning to jump in here (I jumped in somewhere else), but I am aware of Matthew Vines’ book. Sort of an evangelistic tract, meant to entice (or snow-job) people to Gay Goliath’s side. So I try to offer Dr. Albert Mohler’s short E-book (called “God and the Gay Christian? A Response to Matthew Vines.”) No H8 towards gays, no bullying, no off-the-wall stuff. It simply does exactly what it says: It responds, in light of the Bible, to the points Matthew Vines is trying to sway people with.It’s free. Like totally free. Don’t have to do anything, download anything, nor look at any ads. Merely click on the book’s own PDF link here, and start reading the entire book instantly. Then you’ll see why Vines is flat wrong.http://126df895942e26f6b8a0-6b5d65e17b10129dda21364daca4e1f0.r8.cf1.rackcdn.com/GGC-Book.pdf Nelson Smith says: February 25, 2019 at 11:35 pm Apparently you also forgot your glasses, since the Patriarchs were “one man, *multiple* wives, concubines and slave girls”! February 26, 2019 at 1:04 pm Sandi in EL says: I call this, The Good News for Ashiests & Eggnogshticks According to:(1) “Sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera’s review [in 2017]”: “Atheists and agnostics [make up] 7% of the world’s population”! HA-HA.(2) “The 2015 Pew Religious Landscape survey”: “Of the American population … atheists made up 3.1%”! HA-HA.(3) “The World Factbook [of 2013]”: “Non-religious people [in the U.S.] make up 9.66%, while one fifth of them are atheists”! HA-HA.(4) “The Encyclopædia Britannica ”: “2% of the world’s population self-identify as atheists and the average annual global change for atheism from 2000 to 2010 was −0.17%”! HA-HA.(5) “Pew Research Center’s Religion & Public Life Project ”: “In the United States, only 5% of the population did not have a belief in a god and out of that small group only 24% self-identified as ‘atheist’”! HA-HA.(6) “A 2004 survey by the BBC in 10 countries”: “8% of the respondents … consider themselves to be ‘atheists’”! HA-HA.(7) “The World Factbook ”: “Of the world’s population … about 2.4% are atheists”! HA-HA. Why should they be? Per scripture, God is eminently capable of getting babies out of infertile couples. Ben in Oakland says: Why are you not willing to merely clarify your assertion? SEKOTD says: So, you are alluding that the church is already apostate? March 6, 2019 at 3:19 pm February 26, 2019 at 1:53 pm Yes all 3 of Him. Even if you take “eunuch” to mean “gay,” which is quite an assumption, all Jesus indicates here is that marriage is not part of the picture for them. D.M.S. says: TS (unami) says: Sure about that? Endorsing a president who is a “christian” while he claims to *never* pray for forgiveness and who has been a known serial adulterer and sexual predator… *that* kind of “traditional” values? February 26, 2019 at 12:15 am The Biblical canon actually wasn’t a topic of discussion at the Council of Nicaea. They settled a few important theological points (like condemning the teachings of Arius, and devising the first part of the “Nicene Creed” – the now standard Christian profession of faith), but the accepted Biblical texts were already pretty much agreed on by this point. Christianity is not Christianity it has someone to hate. I detest that noise of Cohen- detest it! BO called them the “uncivilized world,” but it’s kind of the same thing. 😉 TS (unami) says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: The accepted translation of arsenkoitai is “men bedding men” “nowhere in the Scriptures is homosexuality declared anything but a sin”. Sorry Joe, but that’s false. Jesus embraced, and served and in effect, sanctified a same sex couple by healing the Centurion’s “pais” (lover). Jesus also referred to homosexuality as being a condition from birth. TS (unami) says: And they wonder why folks turn their backs on Christianity… Sandi in EL says: Shawnie5 says: February 26, 2019 at 12:10 am Vegas runs a UM Special right now. Go. Go. (Away.) March 6, 2019 at 12:11 am February 25, 2019 at 11:06 pm February 26, 2019 at 7:01 pm Yep, and Rome killed Christians when they would not recant their beliefs. February 26, 2019 at 12:12 am If your own brother’s suicide did not convict and convince you of the toxicity of the religious beliefs that infected him and you both, then nothing ever will. Joseph Shore-Goss says: Spuddie says: February 26, 2019 at 8:28 am February 26, 2019 at 9:06 am Are you seriously this obstinate? Really? Where exactly? Or satan has deceived you. That’s the thing about satan. You seem worked up over homosexuality. Paul and Moses were too (many suggest Peter was too, but there is no real evidence of it that I’ve seen) Jesus simply wasn’t. In all of his ministry, He condemned many things (mostly hypocrisy), but never homosexuality. He in fact served a gay relationship by healing the Centurion’s pais. There are a number of issues where Jesus departed from old Mosaic law (Jesus taught us that sin comes from the heart and not from those things external to us such as food or washing your hands), and where Peter and Paul departed from Jesus. All three treated women as second class; not worthy of a position of authority. Jesus elevated Mary Magdaline to such a position (“made her male” as recounted in Thomas), and affirmed it by making her the Apostle to the Apostles in sharing the good news of His resurrection. Peter and Paul ignored Jesus’s teaching on women. While Peter at least allowed female priests in his ministry (i.e. Phoebe), Paul had none of that. With their treatment of women (and their departure from how Jesus ran his ministry), why should it surprise you that Paul at least would treat gay people differently than Jesus did? The only people who say homosexuality, even practicing homosexuality (within the confines of a monogamous relationship as in the case of the Centurion) were Moses and Paul. Now, as for “agreeing to disagree,” I’ll not agree if agreeing hurts or discriminates against LGBTQ people in any way. March 5, 2019 at 4:39 pm March 6, 2019 at 5:18 am February 26, 2019 at 12:17 am Spuddie says: D.M.S. says: February 26, 2019 at 3:01 pm February 26, 2019 at 9:27 pm Spuddie says: February 26, 2019 at 9:27 am Hitler was straight.Stalin was straight.Mao was straight.Mason was straight.Do you want to keep this up all night? This is how we know you are blind: because you believe the absurd notion that the ethics of ancient desert locked middle-eastern tribe’s people are the motive force behind the Ten Commandments. So, why haven’t you stoned to death anyone who works on the Sabbath? Exodus 35:2 No, the Canon was settled in the Fourth Century (300s) by a Great Ecumenical Council of bishops. And most of the books that were rejected also came after the time of the Apostles and were considered holy scripture by many churches until the Canon was finalized.Protestants would take it upon themselves a thousand years later to remove even more books from the holy scriptures. February 26, 2019 at 3:20 pm Spuddie says: February 26, 2019 at 5:17 pm TS (unami) says: Even if I accepted your translation (with its condescending tone), it has nothing to do with the point. The issue isn’t whether Jesus loves gays or that gays exist—both points I agree with—the issue is whether an unrepentant person who engages in the sin of same sex intercourse should lead the church. None of your citations are evidence that they should. No unrepentant sinner of ANY sin should lead the church. For the record, I concede that the church over-emphasized homosexual sex for decades if not centuries, as if it’s a greater sin than others. It’s not. But anyone who chooses not to repent has chosen sin over God. That person cannot be given the responsibility of leading others to God, as they have prioritized sin over God. But they are loved by God and should be welcome to attend the church. Valley Farm says: Ron McPherson says: February 26, 2019 at 12:23 am Hmmm… while the doctrine about divorce and remarriage (which Jesus actually addresses) is reduced to “non-essential” while they all rush after condemning gay Christians. TS (unami) says: As one who’s dealt with same-sex attraction (never gay, a sexual abnormality – not an identity), I say God does not bless false identities (LGBTQ). I affirmed my true identity as a child of God. That means, I cannot have any other identity. Claiming 2 identities indicates a divided mind (bi-polar, diabolical). Remember, a house divided against itself cannot stand. This is Satan’s word, raising doubt about God’s word, just as he did with Adam and Eve (Did God really say that?) March 7, 2019 at 1:02 am March 1, 2019 at 2:01 pm February 25, 2019 at 11:39 pm Read the Gospels and *then* read the rest of scripture in the Light of Christ. Don’t try to shoehorn Jesus into a legalistic position based on how you view the other texts without first submitting to Jesus Christ. February 25, 2019 at 10:36 pm March 5, 2019 at 11:49 pm Nah. Hate is a Chrstian thing. February 25, 2019 at 11:03 pm Share This! Read Romans 1. Paul’s words were inspired by God. February 26, 2019 at 9:05 am February 26, 2019 at 12:33 am News • Photos of the Week March 5, 2019 at 6:40 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:35 am C C says: All 40,000 denominations of Christianity claim to be biblically-based and yet disagree on all manner of doctrine and biblical interpretation. Kiumbi says: Reference? Carl Longren says: Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email February 26, 2019 at 1:33 pm February 26, 2019 at 9:38 am He’s obviously a sock. You are right – it is not about religion. It is about Jesus Christ and whether He knows you or not. February 26, 2019 at 2:38 pm February 25, 2019 at 11:54 pm It’s simple really: God loves all his children: the liars, cheats, addicts, bullies, gays, etc. God hates all sin: lies, cheating, harmful addictions, bullying, homosexuality. Anyone is welcome to seek Jesus But no one who refuses to even attempt to avoid sin can possibly lead the church. The liar who WANTS to keep lying, the cheater that WANTS to keep cheating, and the gay person who WANTS to keep having homosexual sex. None of them can lead. That’s why an unrepentant gay person can’t lead the church—but it’s not the gay vice that’s key, it’s the embracing of that vice or ANY vice over God’s call to repent. Penny Reynolds Roberson says: Spuddie says: February 26, 2019 at 8:44 am Why haven’t you. Remember you’re also stating that you’re a Christian.You have to live by the same standards that you present to me.Mrs. hipocrisy. Are you a Protestant? February 26, 2019 at 11:44 am February 26, 2019 at 4:20 pm Wcharnock says: In your opinion.I’m surprised that you don’t think human beings are created in God’s Image… because they ALL are. I always had you pegged for an XBOX guy with a 5 screen set-up in your parents basement… The bible never means what it so clearly says. There is no one righteous, no, not one. But you have purified yourself, and I guess no longer suffer form the problem of original sin? so there is ONE RIGHTEIOUS, yes, just one. So now you are free to judge others.But why should I trust the judgment of a self-confessed homosexual, as I have been repeatedly told that homosexuals are buried under mountains of sinful thoughts, and deserve hell, and all of it?are you not only a better class of sinner, a better class of righteous, and now, a better class of homosexual? OttoZeit says: Are you attempting to speak like Descartes? February 26, 2019 at 1:14 pm Adam says: February 25, 2019 at 10:54 pm Do you believe that Jesus is God? March 6, 2019 at 5:00 pm February 26, 2019 at 9:29 am February 26, 2019 at 1:26 am Penny Reynolds Roberson says: HpO says: That’s not the discussion here; were talking about how *within* the Church herself, various documents were accepted as holy scripture before eventually being *dismissed* from the Canon of scripture! February 26, 2019 at 12:58 pm D.M.S. says: Dear United Methodist Church: I want a divorce… Way to go, BH… at least you’ve exposed yourself and are quite amusing! February 26, 2019 at 12:58 pm February 27, 2019 at 11:44 am February 27, 2019 at 7:53 pm Tacitus says: February 26, 2019 at 2:14 am And are ALL divorced Christians that way due to infidelity? Let’s say you’re married to a man. He commits adultery, you forgive him. He divorces you anyway and marries her. Are you free to remarry?You committed no sins, you even forgave him for what he did to you. February 26, 2019 at 3:10 pm February 26, 2019 at 5:09 pm March 6, 2019 at 12:11 pm February 26, 2019 at 3:14 am TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 8:01 pm TS (unami) says: God did not issue His 10 Opinions. HpO says: February 25, 2019 at 10:43 pm HpO says: TS (unami) says: Dafuq does that even mean? JD says: March 5, 2019 at 5:48 pm March 6, 2019 at 7:24 pm km4hr says: February 26, 2019 at 6:39 pm February 27, 2019 at 9:56 am blogcom says: February 26, 2019 at 6:21 am February 26, 2019 at 6:38 am km4hr says: February 28, 2019 at 5:20 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:20 am Jesus is the Head of His Church.Hope that’s clear enough. February 26, 2019 at 9:35 am February 26, 2019 at 12:57 pm Slicey says: February 26, 2019 at 8:20 pm The UMC isn’t my church. LOL! The Bible is the word of God Slicey says: Scripture states that we are created in the image and likeness of God/Jesus.God/Jesus finds lgb to be an abomination unto Him. I can only surmise by scripture that God/Jesus created everyone heterosexual. D.M.S. says: February 26, 2019 at 8:27 am February 25, 2019 at 11:22 pm Sigh- these waylaid post modernists. “Being affirmed in one’s own tradition is important.”But “affirming” LGBT is not, according to the Book of Discipline, your tradition. In wanting to change that, you are destroying your own tradition and promoting a different tradition. February 26, 2019 at 11:36 am February 26, 2019 at 1:30 pm February 26, 2019 at 7:39 am February 26, 2019 at 11:26 pm Protestants decline, more have no religion in a sharply shifting religious landscapehttps://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protestants-decline-religion-sharply-shifting-religious-landscape-poll/story?id=54995663Survey Predicts Huge Amount of Non-Religious Americans by 2035https://bigthink.com/stephen-johnson/the-us-is-losing-its-religion-and-faster-than-you-may-thinkI hope you are too old to see the demise of Christianity. I have 60 to 70 years to see the death of Christianity. I am not living by the interpretation of any particular denomination/sect. I am relying on my own understanding of God’s word as he has revealed to me. The word he has already given is clear. As with individuals, denominations/sects may choose to live by God’s word or not. As Joshua said to the Israelites in the Promised Land ‘Choose you this day whom you will serve. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” From the beginning when the serpent got Adam and Eve to doubt God’s word (Did God really say that?), Satan’s goal has been to cause us to doubt God’s word. You make your choice (God or Satan) and you reap the consequences. February 26, 2019 at 4:14 pm James Hyatt says: February 26, 2019 at 7:46 am The Episcopal Church Welcomes you. March 5, 2019 at 5:35 pm February 26, 2019 at 7:53 am “I’m doctor of Psychology and also Biblical Scholar.”When a comment starts with credentials, it’s likely it has weak arguments. The rest of your comment confirms that. You know (nothing) and therefore you are. Are you repeating the same comment over and over? I read all three. This is a lie. There is nothing about homosexuality there. Yes the man ( exhusband ) is living in adultery.The question was is the exwife allowed to remarry for commiting no sins? TS (unami) says: Me?! – “have a conversation” with SA (lami)?! NEVER. LB says: Slicey says: Way to just totally write off divorce — even though Jesus actually talked about it, and not LGBTQ people. Amen! February 26, 2019 at 10:25 am February 26, 2019 at 7:09 pm Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email,Supporters of full inclusion for LGBTQ persons in UMC life hold hands in the observer’s area at the 2019 United Methodist General Conference in St. Louis, Mo., on Feb. 25, 2019, while waiting for vote totals to be displayed. Photo by Mike DuBose/UMNSST. LOUIS (RNS) — In a surprise, the plan recommended by the United Methodist Church’s Council of Bishops was rejected Monday (Feb. 25) by the denomination’s decision-making body.The so-called One Church Plan did not pass out of General Conference’s Legislative Committee to be considered by delegates Tuesday during the plenary session.But that doesn’t mean the proposal is dead, according to supporters.RELATED: United Methodists vote pensions, ‘Traditional Plan’ as top prioritiesReconciling Ministries Network, a movement advocating for the full inclusion of LGBTQ people in the church, tweeted after the vote that the rejected plan will “almost certainly still come up” as a minority report on Tuesday.Neil Alexander — co-convener of Uniting Methodists, a group supporting the One Church Plan — confirmed a minority report including the plan has been filed in opposition to the Traditional Plan.“We are deeply disappointed about the defeat of the OCP and seeking ways to respond to the deep hurt this action causes many LGBTQ people and all who love (them). And we are committed to find ways to make justice and mercy a centerpiece of all of our ministries,” Alexander said in an email to Religion News Service. “We have much work to do.”The Rev. Gary Graves, secretary of the General Conference, addresses the media late Feb. 25, 2019, in St. Louis, Mo. RNS photo Emily McFarlan MillerThe Rev. Gary Graves, secretary of the General Conference, also confirmed petitions that were not supported by the Legislative Committee could be revived and brought to the floor of the plenary with the support of 20 delegates.The One Church Plan would allow individual churches and regional annual conferences to decide whether to ordain and marry LGBTQ members. It’s one of three plans presented this week to delegates at the special session of the General Conference dedicated to sexuality.The Rev. Denise Honeycutt of the Virginia Annual Conference had encouraged delegates to support the plan because she said it allows for churches to hold differing beliefs and “together we are stronger.”“It does not make any of us choose things that are contrary to our own convictions, but it allows us together to be the body of Christ and joyful, passionate disciples of Jesus,” Honeycutt said.The delegate said she has pastored large and small churches. She has been a missionary to Nigeria and visited United Methodist churches around the world. She never has been in a church where everybody agreed on everything, she said.“And yet we were able to be church — to love one another and stay together,” she said.Meantime, Rudolph Merab, a delegate from the Liberia Annual Conference, spoke against the One Church Plan.RELATED: The ’Splainer: What’s the United Methodist special session all about?“We keep talking about trying to be united, but, in fact, we continue to talk about being divided,” Merab said. “It is better to be divided by truth than to be united in error.”As the Rev. Joe Harris presides, the results of a vote about the so-called Traditional Plan are displayed during a legislative session of the special session of the General Conference of the United Methodist Church, held in St. Louis on Feb. 25, 2019. The plan would strengthen denominational penalties for LGBTQI clergy and for clergy who perform same-sex weddings. Photo by Paul Jeffrey for United Methodist News ServiceEarlier in the day, the Legislative Committee, made up of the same 864 General Conference delegates who will vote on the plans during the plenary, approved for a vote another plan, the Traditional Plan.The Traditional Plan would strengthen the enforcement of language in the denomination’s rulebook stating that “the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching” and that “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” cannot be ordained as ministers, appointed to serve or be married in the church.Nearly 56 percent of delegates had ranked the Traditional Plan a high priority for the General Conference during the first day of deliberations.RELATED: United Methodists should acknowledge reality that they are no longer united (COMMENTARY)Monday’s deliberations ended with discussion of the Simple Plan, which would have removed all language about “the practice of homosexuality” from the Book of Discipline. The Simple Plan was voted down but not before an impassioned speech from J.J. Warren, a reserve delegate from the Upper New York Conference.Warren spoke about being gay and reaching out to other students at his college with a message about the love of Jesus. “They didn’t know God could love them because their churches said God didn’t,” he said.The Rev. Rebekah Miles, an Arkansas Conference delegate, speaks during the special session of the General Conference of The United Methodist Church, held in St. Louis, Mo., on Feb. 25, 2019. Miles spoke in favor of postponing a discussion of the Traditional Plan, which she opposes. Photo by Paul Jeffrey for United Methodist News ServiceHe said he wanted the United Methodist Church to be a place where all are welcomed and loved.“That’s the Methodist church that I love and that I want to be a pastor in one day,” Warren said, amid prolonged cheers and applause from observers supporting the full inclusion of LGBT people.John Lomperis, a delegate from the Indiana Conference and director of UM Action, a program of the conservative Institute on Religion and Democracy, acknowledged the pain involved in the decisions made this week by the General Conference.“There’s obviously no joy in the pain of others, whether we agree or disagree,” said Lomperis, who supports the Traditional Plan. He said he also voted to discuss the Simple Plan and hear from its supporters.The Traditional Plan still faces challenges before it could be adopted. Parts of the plan previously were ruled unconstitutional by the denomination’s top court and would need to be amended.Observers from Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C., attend the UMC General Conference on Feb. 26, 2019, in St. Louis, Mo. Included are Kara Togel, from left, Lenora Whitecotton, Ellie Crain, Cassandra Lawrence, Michelle Wood, and Chelsea Spyres. RNS photo by Emily McFarlan MillerObservers from Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C., who arrived Tuesday, said they were already grieving the defeat of the One Church Plan and the possibility that the Traditional Plan could be approved.Cassandra Lawrence said the group had been hoping for “basically anything but” Monday’s results.Ellie Crain agrees. Crain, who identifies as gay and wants to be ordained in the United Methodist Church, now wonders what the future holds.“I haven’t even considered walking away. It’s like I’m being pushed away,” Crain said.Chelsea Spyres, who is straight, said she also wants to be ordained but will not take vows until LGBTQ United Methodists can be ordained, too. The denomination is her home, she said.“I don’t know what’s next,” Spyres said.(This story has been updated.) February 26, 2019 at 8:01 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:09 am TS (unami) says: The New Testament talks about homosexuality. Jesus wasn’t the only original church leader. Read my discussion of the subject above. February 25, 2019 at 10:35 pm C C says: kb says: bmayer504 says: February 26, 2019 at 6:27 pm March 5, 2019 at 5:50 pm Check out In the Samuel books about David’s life. I don’t know Trump’s eternal standing with God, but it is my opinion that he was “God’s Man” for today, regardless. God uses who He will to accomplish His goals, and scripture tells us we won’t always understand what is going on, so just trust God is doing what is best for us, whether we see it that way or not. February 27, 2019 at 8:52 am February 26, 2019 at 1:14 pm Just the facts. This link shows unemployment graphs and economic growth rates for the United States. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate I taught the Bible for 5 years. Have studied it front to back. Once you study it all, you realize the unchanging God is botha God of love AND a God of judgement. The “love” parts are way easier to take, but the judgement parts are just as true.The idol worship that trips up most people is putting themselves above the need to apply God’s Word to their lives. God calls that rebellion, and there is judgement for rebellion. That certainly would be convenient for you. If I just shut up and went away so you didn’t have to think about it anymore. How about this instead. Why don’t you leave? TS (unami) says: True. That’s why you have five screens.3 for gaming,1 for writing your screeds and annoying people, and1 for your unmentionable activities. TS (unami) says: TS (unami) says: Only if God said it. Isaiah chapter 40 is enough for me to feel insignificant enough not to question what God says. I do not knowhow others’ gauge their relationship with God. I have no impass brother. You may perhaps, of your own devising. Good luck. March 5, 2019 at 5:23 pm Juicy Ecumenism reports that the Minority Report (a final attempt to pass the One Church Plan) has been rejected by United Methodism’s governing General Conference, finalizing the decision for the Traditional Plan. Who do you think is the head of the church? Shawnie5 says: Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email,About the authorView All Posts ChuckW says: TS (unami) says: Parker12 says: So everyone under someone else’s control must necessarily be that person’s “lover?”Interesting that the circumstances that you are reading into this story, and claiming that Jesus approved, is the exact same set of circumstances that your camp typically reads into Paul’s admonitions in Corinthians in order to minimize its scope — abuse of power and control. You guys need to make up your minds on some of these issues. Of course, as soon as you do, your argument will fail one way or another. TS (unami) says: Christ spent three years teaching those people. By: Emily McFarlan Miller emmillerwrites It was a surprise to those who thought the mainstreaming of marginal views was the wave of the future. Neither. When would I have time to play when I am constantly typing here?🙂 Believe as you wish. Our choices have eternal consequences. February 26, 2019 at 8:50 pm March 6, 2019 at 8:29 am March 6, 2019 at 6:25 am HpO says: To clarify, are you asserting that Jesus is the only leader of the church? Adam says: TS (unami) says: March 5, 2019 at 12:05 pm OK. Bye. HA! Mama’s basement. 🙂 Charges against Patriots owner Kraft shine a light on human trafficking, says author February 27, 2019 at 12:32 pm Spuddie says: TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 6:03 pm Rick Brant says: Hardly. It is conservatives who are giving religious faith a bad name. Looking to appropriate it for their own personal agendas and bigotry. To give an air of social acceptance to malice and discrimination. Whatever attacks you perceive from “liberals” are merely the consequences of an agenda which promotes malice and pettiness. More concerned with “deviant behavior” of others, than your own quite obvious sins. “The ends justify the means” is the more honest expression of evangelical behavior here. Any pretense of morality and values being a complete sham. Conservative Christians have always been easy marks for supporting policies which attack the economic interests of those who work for a living. Throw a little token support to their petty bigotry and they vote for whatever corrupt policies come their way. Funny how that same book also, in far more examples in its text, demands we treat others respectfully and avoid pretending to act as gods judgement. How one must avoid self professed piety. Where the phrase “love thy neighbor” is not a conditional or qualified statement. But that doesn’t count because you can’t use it as an excuse to be obnoxious and malicious to others. Your expression of faith is a worthless excuse to act badly. Christianity can do better than such self serving petty hypocritical expressions. True, but never two guys. March 5, 2019 at 2:55 pm Religious_Left says: Valley Farm says: February 26, 2019 at 9:19 am We don’t know if the Lord actually talked about it or not, but, it is evident from the writings of His followers (who condemn the sin) that He did not change His mind on the sin. Hold the (SA) lami! For, hey, wanna know how IN-significant or use-LESS or LAUGH-able 7% is? WATCH THIS:(1) “Long-term press bias: Only 7% of journalists voted for George H.W. Bush in 1992”, Washington Times, December 4, 2018.(2) “Only 7% of York Central homes will be truly affordable, claims expert”, York Press, October 10, 2018.(3) “Gallup: Only 7% of K-12 teachers want to carry guns in the classroom”, MarketWatch, March 24, 2018.(4) “Only 7% of People Say They Never Make Their Bed”, The Roz & Mocha Show, Kiss92.5 FM, Rogers Media, March 1, 2018.(5) “Only 7% of Organizations Believe Their Leadership Development Programs Are Best in Class According to Harvard Business Publishing State of Leadership Development Survey: Survey Explores the Disconnect between Learning and Development Teams and Their Business Counterparts on the Impact and Effectiveness of Leadership Development Programs”, Harvard Business School Publishing, July 19, 2016.(6) “Only 7% think Oscar Pistorius is innocent”, YouGov, March 5, 2014. March 5, 2019 at 5:47 pm Of course they do. Look at the president they overwhelmingly voted for. A serial adulterer and wh0re monger as opposed to one who stayed married despite a wayward spouse. Sin is always about other people. Not yourself. February 26, 2019 at 6:30 am Shawnie5 says: So, are you now heterosexual, having sex with a woman, maybe even kidS? No same sex attraction whatsoever? In Genesis, Sodom and Gomorrah was not about gay sex. It told the story of men wanting to humiliate guests via a form of gang rape. And Lot responds by offering up his daughters to be raped, instead of the angels in the form of men. So, when you read this under the lens of the culture of the time when women were considered so low that their suffering was not comparable to that of a man’s humiliation, and thus preferable in their eyes. Same-sex behavior is never mentioned as the sin that destroys Sodom. Sins that are mentioned include: arrogance, disregard to poor and needy by the wealthy, and in-hospitality. When Sodom is later mentioned in the Matthew, Luke, and Peter, same-sex behavior is never mentioned, but what is referred to is the lack of hospitality and mistreatment of visitors, and for that they will be judged. February 26, 2019 at 4:11 pm There are members of the UMC that are fighting the rampant divorce as well. The issue simply isn’t threatening to tear the UMC apart. Once this issue is dealt with, perhaps that will be next. Of course, part of their problem is that the scriptures aren’t as clear on divorce as they are on homosexual activities. Christ left us all about Himself in His word. You want to know Christ’s mind, read His word February 26, 2019 at 11:43 am Tom_C says: Ben in Oakland says: March 6, 2019 at 5:13 pm Christians like yourself only concern themselves with the sins they can attack others for. They have no concern for those which require personal. reflection on.Conservative Christians have already demonstrated their professed values are a sham. They are simply immoral malicious opportunists looking for access to power. You are proving yourself to be nothing more than an excuse making stooge for immortality Religious_Left says: Instagram apostasy stirs controversy over Christian ‘influencers’ August 30, 2019 February 26, 2019 at 11:20 pm February 25, 2019 at 7:29 pm Did God create you straight? What “time-outs”? I haven’t been banned here and your condescension is unnecessary.You are the one calling those who disagree with you childish names and the like.Grow up and we can have a conversation… Otherwise, have a nice day. Sandi in EL says: March 6, 2019 at 8:54 am Penny Reynolds Roberson says: Spuddie says: Charles A. Hake says: February 26, 2019 at 12:41 pm TS (unami) says: February 27, 2019 at 1:59 pm We pray that God’s will be done. Homosexuals can be born-again, but only when they repent from their immorality because of God’s grace compels them to. Until they are born again they cannot inherit the Kingdom… February 27, 2019 at 7:13 am “So everyone under someone else’s control must necessarily be that person’s ‘lover?’”Obviously, you didn’t read my discussion. There’s no sense in my commenting further until you do. HpO says: I’m a Christian but thanks for your well wishes. Adios! As is the Bible Spuddie says: Frédéric Martel is LGBT.Jussie Smollett is LGBT.Ed Buck is LGBT.Terry Bean is LGBT.Them, too? “God blesses the[m] LGBTQ”, too? floydlee says: February 27, 2019 at 12:58 pm OttoZeit says: February 26, 2019 at 10:39 am ““We are deeply disappointed about the defeat of the OCP and seeking ways to respond to the deep hurt this action causes many LGBTQ people and all who love (them). And we are committed to find ways to make justice and mercy a centerpiece of all of our ministries,” Justice and mercy are helping them to go to Heaven and that is what the traditional plan will do.These people need hope, not lies“The Rev. Denise Honeycutt of the Virginia Annual Conference had encouraged delegates to support the plan because she said it allows for churches to hold differing beliefs and “together we are stronger.” No, it would have turned the church into a place to shop for which scripture one wants to adhere to.Hallelujah, Christ got them this far. Now they need ti tell homosexuals the truth that they are not Christian without the repenting of their sins. February 26, 2019 at 2:45 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:18 pm February 26, 2019 at 8:55 pm February 26, 2019 at 9:51 am The Methodist church has itself to blame for allowing bad theology and super biblical literalism to run its missions and evangelization now the largest portion of the church does not understand nor wants to learn what we now know and understand about the Bible the writers and human sexuality … this is so painful for those who stand with the margins and those who are being marginalized by the church Valley Farm says: TS (unami) says: Religious_Left says: ChuckW says: HpO says: He issued His Commandments.They serve as a North Star, if you will, to let His children know His most important rules as a guidepost along the path leading to the narrow gate through which we are to travel in order to reach the rooms He has prepared for us. The universe is His.He knows the way.Like sheep, we are lost and incapable of finding our way home on our own. February 26, 2019 at 1:00 pm February 25, 2019 at 11:07 pm You should check your anger, your distrust and your sheer hatred of all things contrary to your putrid liberalism. You spend more energy believing in nothing than most evangelicals spend believing in God. March 5, 2019 at 2:35 pm February 26, 2019 at 1:25 am HpO says: JP says: “It is the authoritative word from the author of the universe.” [Citation Needed] TS (unami) says: TS (unami) says: floydlee says: OttoZeit says: I debated her once and showed her to be a fraud Religious_Left says: Gehennah says: So what will you do aobut the 2/3 of the world who doesn’t believe in your god? What will you do about the Jews who don’t think god had a son? February 26, 2019 at 10:27 am Then since you think the Law is to be upheld, I wonder why you haven’t stoned to death anyone who works on the Sabbath? I also grew up in the church. I also taught Sunday School. I also have read the Bible, multiple times through.You’re avoiding the context of the passage, it’s author, culture, time and intended audience to support your own forgone conclusion.I have no desire to argue today, so will simply wish for you to have a good day.Peace. February 26, 2019 at 11:23 am OttoZeit says: February 26, 2019 at 6:16 am That I must concede. In places where poverty and illiteracy are the norm religion is indeed growing. Desperation wins many converts. Only in developed nations is it in decline. Another non-responsive deflection to evade engagement.At least I don’t have to tell you to “keep it up” – it’s all you’ve got, so you’re stuck with, it no matter what . February 26, 2019 at 9:23 am Yes. The film “God Loves Uganda” shows how U.S. missionaries spread the anti-gay message to the less developed world and not we reap what we have sown. So disappointing. February 27, 2019 at 8:25 am When churches accept homosexuality it leads to the death of churches. People stop going. rushevents says: February 25, 2019 at 10:45 pm February 26, 2019 at 2:02 pm TS (unami) says: Shawnie5 says: “It is better not to marry” (gamēsai) is what the disciples said that elicited Jesus’ comment. The same word you guys use to torture a justification for gay marriage out of Paul’s statement that “it is better to marry than to burn with passion.” Bruce Patterson says: March 8, 2019 at 5:58 pm Parker12 says: JD says: There were many scripture that we passed around from church to church That’s not what this conversation is about. February 26, 2019 at 6:23 am ”Conservative Christians have always been easy marks for supportingpolicies which attack the economic interests of those who work for aliving.” Have you been living under a rock and haven’t heard about the greatly improved economic growth and lowest unemployment rates in decades and decreased need for food stamps. Liberals pander to minorities by telling them that they are victims and all their problems are someone else’s fault. Conservatives actually deliver the jobs and opportunities that liberals promise. He said marriage is not for anyone who can’t enter into it in the creation manner. Sorry. Hon, for folks like you and Widuran anyone who doesn’t believe in your mythology you view as full of hate. You couldn’t be more wrong. Sandi in EL says: HpO says: study the council of Nicea before making these rash statements. The council was anything but a bunch of pious monks voting. It was a strong, heartfelt and vigorous discussion of why something should be included and why others should not.Later councils discussed other writings such as the so-called gnostic gospels. Again, great pain is taken to fully understand the teaching and judge it’s value against the rest of the body of scripture. Yet, you act in the same manner as what you accuse others of February 26, 2019 at 12:07 pm Religious_Left says: March 6, 2019 at 12:56 am Widuran says: Sandi in EL says: Edna Hakenson says: TS (unami) says: Yes! Picking and choosing which which parts of God’s Word they apply to their lives is going to trip them up every time! TS (unami) says: TS (unami) says: Of the multitudinous denominations, how sure that only your particular sect interprets *everything* correctly? March 6, 2019 at 5:06 pm Sandi in EL says: Yes.And Jesus made those statements in Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 in scripture. February 26, 2019 at 8:48 pm TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 11:28 am February 26, 2019 at 7:39 am Only if they “practice what they preach.”Otherwise, the “preaching” is just a smokescreen for active disobedience. TS (unami) says: ChuckW says: David Carver says: Adam says: I think you and I are on the same side, but I think the 40,000 figure is dubious – http://www.ncregister.com/blog/scottericalt/we-need-to-stop-saying-that-there-are-33000-protestant-denominations Adam says: TS (unami) says: You don’t know when Christ will return. Even Christ Himself said that ONLY the Father knows the day. Claiming to know that time yourself is blasphemy. You apparently forgot your glasses while reading that passage. That was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. By: Emily McFarlan Miller emmillerwrites AkronMike says: Art says: February 25, 2019 at 9:57 pm You’ve been twisting and turning your itching ears for many years.Christ Jesus is my Lord and Savior.I know by your own choosing you have never served our LordYou only serve your immoral self. TS (unami) says: TS (unami) says: I’ve never been divorced and never will.Try again. You certainly are allowedyour opinion! It is the authoritative word from the author of the universe. I dealt with same-sex attraction and I personally affirm God’s word. Repent means to change your life. That’s what John the Baptist and Jesus both preached “Repent, for the Kingdom of God is near.” LGBTQ are names of sexual abnormalities; they are not identities. I affirm my true identity as God’s beloved son. Trying to claim a second identity indicates a divided (bi-polar, diabolical) mindset. That is Satan’s doing. His goal is to create doubt about God’s word just as he did with Adam and Eve (Did God really say that?). February 26, 2019 at 11:35 pm TS (unami) says: Spuddie says: You don’t speak for God. Religious_Left says: February 26, 2019 at 11:44 am Except that “God’s Word” refers to Jesus Christ, not to a book of text. The Word of God is not the Bible, The Word of God is Jesus. TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 9:44 am If it were, it would still not make homosexuality an unsin February 26, 2019 at 11:34 am TS (unami) says: So, polygamy is “OK”?Alright, well at least we know where you stand. It’s not simple because we don’t believe that being gay is a sin. Neither in being, nor in “practice.” February 26, 2019 at 11:48 am Centurion: Luke 7:1-10 or Mat 8:5-13Gay from birth: Mat 19:12 March 5, 2019 at 5:10 pm OttoZeit says: February 26, 2019 at 7:02 am D.M.S. says: D.M.S. says: Spuddie says: floydlee says: Sandi in EL says: March 6, 2019 at 6:36 pm These “discussions” always come down to the same lie that implies that if you do not accept homosexuality as morally right and good then you must hate homosexuals. Invariably, this is followed by the “Jesus loves people just the way they are.” Using myself as an example, I do not hate alcoholics but I DO detest alcoholism. The alcoholic is a victim of the vice of alcoholism and as drunkeness is sin, as any serious student of the Scriptures will agree, our Lord loves the alcoholic but desires to persuade him to repent of his sin, a ministry of reconciliation now the duty of every believer.. It is in no way correct to determine that if one hates homosexuality he must therefore hate homosexuals. Our Lord condemns homosexuality in both the Old and New Testaments and just as He also condemned hypocrisy in no uncertain terms, He loved the persecuter of the early church, Saul of Tarsus, so much that He personally met him on the road to Damascus and led him to faith in Himself. Indeed, there are more than a few who have failed to recognize that a sin does not define the sinner. After all, Christ came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance, a condition we all have a share in. The refrain, “Judge not that ye be not judged,” is an oft repeated yet misunderstood principle. The condemnation of any person is not the role of a believer, but those acts, attitudes, and practices known as sin are indeed to be identified and condemned by all believers. At the risk of being repetitious I repeat, the sin ought to be judged by the believer, but not the person commiting the sin. For if the believer hates the sinner, what hope is there of ever leading him to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? Conversely, if sin itself is not judged and condemned, why would anyone wish to repent of it and acknowledge Christ as LORD and Saviour? True it is that our Lord loves each and every person born on this earth He created, but, being a JUST God He will not take to Himself one who simply refuses to give up his sin. In Matthew 7 Christ declares that in the Day, many will come and say, “Lord, Lord. Have we not cast out devils in Your name? Have we not healed in Your name and done many wonderful works?” Jesus says that He will have to reply, “I never knew you. Depart from Me ye workers of iniquity.” Homosexuality is a sin not much different from any other sin and ALL sin must be repented of. Yes, God loves each person so much that He allowed the sacrifice of His own Son. But He cannot and will not accept an unrepentant sinner. And, it would seem, In the opinions of most of the Methodist conference attenders. They witnessed the lies and deceptions by the liberals in advancing their agenda in the Methodist conference, the bait-and-switch, the broken promises, and they saw the abuse, greed and raw power grab in the Episcopal Church… and decided the best thing they could do was to try to purge the disease out of the conference. I hope they do, and I hope the liberals that threatened to leave actually do. (Which, if they did, would be one of the rare times the many of them told the truth.)No one believes the leftie lies anymore.…. But keep telling me the problem isn’t their lies, tell me that the problem is “my opinion.”I’m sure there are a few gullible people around that believe that. Yes, people can remarry, for the cause of infidelity. TS (unami) says: kso721 says: March 6, 2019 at 5:21 am D.M.S. says: February 26, 2019 at 11:52 am Jesus is the logos (“word”) of God – the organizing force and determining pattern of the whole creation. The bible contains the “words” of God, if you like. Clear now? TS (unami) says: Shawnie5 says: I read the whole article. Can you quote the part where one of those three or even Tony said that one of Trumps sinful activities was not sinful?A “mulligan” (defined as a “second chance” by the dictionaries I checked on the web) is hardly the same as stating something sinful is not a sin. March 5, 2019 at 4:10 pm Preach itScreech it too when necessary Actually, I asked you first, and you’ve still avoided answering!You are laughable if you think they didn’t have sex with as many as they wanted!Chapter and verse — QUOTE good over telling them to *not* have all their multiple wives, concubines and slave girls… Valley Farm says: Another example of your lack of Biblical knowledgeI recommend Galatians 1:11-18 Yes, it is inspired but it was also written by men of their own culture and time. To deny that is to deny history. March 5, 2019 at 4:55 pm February 26, 2019 at 3:23 pm It’s never a ‘hollow’ victory when Biblically-based Christianity wins out over something less than that. Penny Reynolds Roberson says: DMS, do you believe in the Holy Trinity? If so, you wouldn’t even be asking that question. Ben in Oakland says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 26, 2019 at 11:10 am TS (unami) says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: OttoZeit says: February 26, 2019 at 12:27 am Who would you rather contradict, the word of man, or the Word made Flesh? I’m more than willing to question the words of Moses, Peter, Paul, or any of the prophets. I am loath to question the words of Jesus.No matter. I’m a member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church. We accept LGBTQ people and consider them a reflection of God’s glory. We will welcome your castoffs into our family with open arms and open hearts. km4hr says: February 28, 2019 at 5:09 pm Sandi in EL says: February 26, 2019 at 12:03 pm And how does one do such? TS (unami) says: Okay, so now that the Big Vote is over, I’m relaxing and addressing your posts . Thanks sincerely for your response; most of your allies don’t even TRY to step up. I’m not even going to worry about how long my post is, nor even who reads it or not. I’m just posting.Your first sentence there, with its phrase “only 6 passages in the Bible”, reminds me of what somebody once said. “How many times does God have to say NO to something in the Bible, with no exceptions at all, before humans figure out that He really means it?” Again, you say “only 6 passages in the Bible.” But there’s at least 8 passages that give you a clear red flag on homosexual behavior. They are:Gen. 2:23-24 (God’s design for marriage and sexuality is exclusively gender-complementarian), Gen 19:5 (Sodom’s gay guys go one gig too far), Ezekiel 16:49-50 (Sodom had multiple sins but that final gig was God’s Last Straw)Matt. 11:24 (Jesus affirms that Sodom’s destruction was actual history, not a penny less)Matt. 19:4-5 (Jesus affirms 100% that God’s explicit design for marriage is exclusively gender-complementarian)Rom. 1:26-27 (All kinds of Not-Natural, Messed-Up gigs & outcomes in there, both gay men and lesbians. By the way, THIS text, refutes any fake claim that the Bible didn’t mention homosexuality till the 1940’s. Clearly both male and female homosexuality is being discussed here in Romams. By the way, the Greek text of the next passage, 1 Cor 6, especially that good ole “Malakoi” and “Arsenokoites”, likewise make clear that the Bible has **always** mentioned homosexual behavior.)1 Cor. 6:9-11 (Gay stuff is capable of blocking you from getting into the kingdom of heaven, and you don’t want THAT outcome. But Jesus can clean it off of you, heal you, free you just as much as He did for the Corinthians. Jesus gives you power to be Ex-Gay. You can even drop the “gay self-identity” component — Jesus will give you a brand new clean **self identity** in Him, in 2 Cor. 5:17)1 Tim. 1:9-10 (Notice what kinda things homosexual behavior is compared to. And notice verse 11. Is homosexuality even compatible with the Gospel itself? Hmm?)Just one more thing. According to National Public Radio, ONLY 54 VOTES stopped the Methodists from killing themselves today. Otherwise they would be Dead Meato right now. THAT is why it is important for Christians to agree with, support, and don’t back down from their Bibles. February 26, 2019 at 8:31 am February 26, 2019 at 8:36 am a (Bi) Child of God says: But “gay … I’m not”, you “admit[ted]” – “so, you do indeed hate gays”?!“But I do have an adult intersex and trans kid”, you “admit[ted]” – “so, you do indeed hate gays”?!But “I am … very devout in my path … [and] walked this path my entire life”, you “admit[ted]” – “so, you do indeed hate gays”?!But “I … tell … stories that would curl [the] hair”, you “admit[ted]” – “so, you do indeed hate gays”?!But “I am … most times … simply dismissed”, you “admit[ted]” – “so, you do indeed hate gays”?!But “the Divine loves [me] beyond measure”, you “admit[ted]” – “so, you do indeed hate gays”?!But “I simply don’t believe … in paranoid mythologies”, you “admit[ted]” – “so, you do indeed hate gays”?!But “it’s hard to hate something that’s a fairy tale”, you “admit[ted]” – “so, you do indeed hate gays”?!But “do [I] hate Santa Claus? Jack Frost? The Easter Bunny?”, you “admit[ted]” to wondering – “so, you do indeed hate gays”?! TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 11:15 am Kevin Young says: TS (unami) says: JD says: Wcharnock says: Ben in Oakland says: Amen brother DMS February 26, 2019 at 1:49 pm Go look up the Muratorian Fragment. jamann1 says: TS (unami) says: D.M.S. says: Valley Farm says: Matthew: 19 * 4-6 The words of Jesus are clear to me as relates to marriage. And again referring back to God’s word in Genesis.And the conference had nothing to do or to say about gay Christians being excluded from worship. TS (unami) says: Heddrick Steel says: February 28, 2019 at 9:02 pm February 26, 2019 at 8:42 am February 27, 2019 at 12:31 am Joe, they voted to remain traditional, so you can have it. I’m not LGBTQ but I’m done with the UMC (55+ years is way more than enough), and headed to the UCC. I am sick and tired of the hypocrisy of United Methodists like yourself – and it just keeps getting worse. Talk to all the post-Baptist divorced preachers who now serve in UMC pulpits and offer oversight as UMC DS’s. It is flat out hypocritical. NOWHERE in the Scriptures does it say homosexuality is the worst sin. NOWHERE.btw, what’s YOUR sin? Oh, and tell us about YOUR sex life and let US decide if you “belong”.“Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. Send me!” So I will go. You stay in the box and keep judging , though I don’t remember Jesus ever calling us to do that.He calls us OUT of the church and TO the people. Open hearts, open doors, open minds… yeah. right. smh. rushevents says: Yes. February 26, 2019 at 5:40 pm Sandi in EL says: Adam says: February 26, 2019 at 4:07 pm Jamie Lee Perkins Dalton says: If the Bible was so “clear”, why are there so many denominations and interpretations? February 26, 2019 at 7:54 am Be specific — do you believe in one God, the holy Trinity or not? February 26, 2019 at 12:14 pm If you had told the truth about reading it, you would not have made that comment. You don’t know scripture, or you would understand my second comment D.M.S. says: Adam says: kso721 says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 26, 2019 at 12:26 pm March 6, 2019 at 1:06 am Evidently the choices of people you support have far less consequences than those who you feel like attacking. Funny how that always works out. You expect your choice to be malicious and dishonest to be without consequence at all. Hence your claim of it being God’s will. How very spineless. March 6, 2019 at 8:52 am There is the passive aggressive response one expects from fundamentalists. Its all just an excuse to act like a horse’s posterior. February 26, 2019 at 6:46 pm February 26, 2019 at 4:14 pm Shawnie5 says: February 25, 2019 at 8:53 pm blogcom says: February 26, 2019 at 6:33 pm I guess you are not being used to be called out for behaving badly under the guise of “sincere belief”. HpO says: March 6, 2019 at 4:54 pm Interpreting God’s word as saying that God approves of homosexuality is simply a wrong interpretation. Not justifiable. The true church cannot affirm what God’s word clearly says is sin. Grace without Truth is destructive. Homosexuality is ultimately self-destructive. God wants to give us real life. We have to do it His way. The road is narrow as Jesus said, and many do not find it. February 26, 2019 at 11:08 am February 28, 2019 at 8:47 pm Ben in Oakland says: In your opinion. February 26, 2019 at 12:10 pm February 26, 2019 at 8:06 am You’re the one that’s insulting to God/Jesus.Do you actually believe that our Holy God/Jesus gave those women to Abraham or David to have sexual relations with them? HpO says: February 26, 2019 at 12:49 am February 26, 2019 at 1:53 am Jesus is the Word of God. February 26, 2019 at 7:10 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:45 pm Religious_Left says: February 26, 2019 at 12:14 am Well put. Again. February 25, 2019 at 10:02 pm LB says: OttoZeit says: TS (unami) says: HpO says: February 26, 2019 at 1:39 pm March 5, 2019 at 11:34 pm FriendlyGoat says: Valley Farm says: That’s exactly what ALL denominations claim to do… March 5, 2019 at 4:43 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:52 pm March 5, 2019 at 9:14 pm Slicey says: JD says: Couldn’t a homosexual lead the church if this person preached repentance of this sin? Yes – you can replace the word homosexuals with all sinners (which includes all who were born on this earth after Adam’s disobedience) until we admit our sin and ask forgiveness through Jesus Christ. Knowing about Jesus Christ and having Him reside in our hearts are two different things. It is making Jesus Christ Lord and Savior that results in forgiveness of sins and gives us the desire to understand God’s Word through the Holy Spirit. Traditional Plan: Hate people not like you . February 26, 2019 at 12:21 am Sandi in EL says: I don’t know a single Christian who endorses trumps sinful activities. All of the Apostles sinned too. Based on your reasoning, we should throw out all the New Testament past John. Your logic is flawed. lol “Protestants do not uphold” (big “O”) Orthodox Christianity” was your statement.Evidently, you intended to convey that they don’t uphold (little “o”) orthodox beliefsBut that’s not what you actually said. ONE-STOP “shop for which scripture one wants to adhere to.” Yup, that it is these days. Sandi in EL says: Oh… so all infertile Hetero couples are “out”, huh?“Sorry”/s TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 12:41 am Then why are YOU disobeying GOD/JESUS by *not* stoning to death people who work on the Sabbath?! Amen March 5, 2019 at 1:26 pm February 26, 2019 at 1:20 pm “They sometimes had male-male relationships that were about power and control, but not about equality. They had pederasty, where older males would teach younger males and this relationship involved sex. Those were the types of relations that were condemned in the Bible”Yet this is precisely the sort of thing that your compadre up above is claiming that Jesus approved of. s(p)in(e)less. FIFY. :o) February 26, 2019 at 7:19 am TS (unami) says: They are far more clear on divorce than “sleeping the sleep of a woman” and arsenkoitai could ever hope to be in a month of sundays. February 26, 2019 at 12:40 pm February 26, 2019 at 1:02 pm “I don’t hate Santa Claus” should be your Registered Trademark, yes? February 26, 2019 at 9:53 am a (Bi) Child of God says: February 25, 2019 at 11:25 pm JD says: Sandi in EL says: Tom_C says: km4hr says: February 26, 2019 at 9:14 pm Daniel De Kok says: Sounds like we’re about the same age. I decided in my teens (1959+) that my feelings were (just that) not something I needed to share with others, that God and I would work it out. And we did. I stood and still stand on his word. In early childhood I memorized Jesus’ words ‘…and you shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.” It did indeed! I never told my parents (my younger brother committed suicide at 20 from unwanted attraction). After a brief college experience, I made a decision that I wasn’t going to live that lifestyle. After college, as our relationship got serious, I told my future wife, because I would not start a marriage with such a secret. She married me and we have 2 grown children and 2 grandchildren. At the prompting of the Holy Spirit about 4 years ago, I sat my 2 children down and told them, because I wanted them to hear it from me, and because the Spirit was calling me to speak out publicly. Richard, I believe Satan did the same with you as Adam and Eve when he got them to doubt God’s word (Did God really say that?). There is only one savior – Jesus. I pray that you will re-think your decision, because it has eternal consequences. As I tell atheists, if you’re right and there is no God then death is simply our end. But if you’re wrong and I’m right, then you’re facing eternal torment. I don’t wish that for you. February 26, 2019 at 1:08 pm February 25, 2019 at 10:36 pm Now look at this. This is another “Gay Talking Point” here. It’s not even accurate, but Gay Goliath has finally figured out that a lotta Christians don’t even read their own Bibles. Christians too busy to read God’s Word, they just letting their Bible sit there in the corner, gathering dust next to the Dog Food and the Dog Poo. Practically Defenseless, baby!!Now let’s get real. This Sodom gig, mentioned from Genesis to Jesus, is **absolutely** about some gay guys, homosexuals, whatever label, trying to git themselves some gay sex. In fact, a whole TOWNFUL of gay guys trying to get free goodies. Here, look at THEIR OWN words, Gen. 19:4-5.4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom, both young and old, surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”See that? They want gay sex, gay pleasure. They want it immediately. Nobody’s keeping score for cultural humiliation points. They just want plain old WOO-WOO WITH THE WEE-WEE!! So do not let these gay activists lie to you readers. What you yourself are reading here, is the real truth. Actual History!!In Ezekiel 16:49, God talks about Sodom’s other sins — arrogance, despising the poor. But in the very next verse, verse 50, God says they then committed ABOMINATION in front of Him — and THAT’s the Last Straw after which, God simply says grimly, “I took them all away as I saw fit.”Think about it. And remember, only 54 more votes and the Gay Activists would have won today’s Methodist vote. Only 54 little votes. Right in front of God. February 26, 2019 at 11:57 am March 1, 2019 at 6:53 pm March 6, 2019 at 5:16 am February 26, 2019 at 1:12 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:10 pm So, how is their culture different from ours? March 5, 2019 at 11:57 pm You said,“I don’t know a single Christian who endorses trumps sinful activities.” Tell that to Falwell, Jefress and Graham… and when you’re ready to admit the truth, come back and we can talk further. How many HEADS of His church do *you* think there are? I’ve answered your question — please answer mine. February 26, 2019 at 7:01 am TS (unami) says: D.M.S. says: You are trying to compare the Methodist administrative structure to the Episcopal one when they are two completely different things. In the Episcopal church, the *diocese* is typically the property owner even though individual parishes have responsibilities for various building programs. But the diocese holds the keys in the EC, unlike the MC. Not the same thing at all and an unfair comparison.People leave all denominations for a multitude of reasons and each side thinks that they are “right” and that the other side are “serpents”…*sigh* HpO says: Exactly, Slicey! Valley Farm says: You must not be a Methodist. February 25, 2019 at 10:12 pm Spuddie says: JD says: Spuddie says: TS (unami) says: March 5, 2019 at 5:32 pm Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 26, 2019 at 1:31 pm February 25, 2019 at 7:18 pm February 27, 2019 at 2:46 am Facts never had a part in your spielUnemployment Went Down – Because More People Left The Workforcehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/05/05/sure-unemployment-went-down-because-the-number-of-people-working-did/#4b05f75b408bhttps://qz.com/1297561/the-dazzling-us-unemployment-rate-is-blinding-americans-to-a-much-darker-reality/Trump takes credit for the work of his predecessorhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-economy-booming-who-gets-credit-trump-or-obama-n908286https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/us/politics/trump-obama-economy.htmlTrade Wars Tanking the economyhttps://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/29/trump-trade-war-economic-reality-9968622018 Tax Plan harming working people, especially middle class with nothing to show for ithttps://americansfortaxfairness.org/giveaway-breakdown-trump-gop-tax/https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-wages-have-been-flat-to-lower-since-the-trump-tax-cuts-2018-8https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tax-plan-consequences/https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/10/investing/stock-buybacks-record-tax-cuts/index.htmlThe abject failure of 40 years of Conservative economic policieshttps://newrepublic.com/minutes/143174/purest-supply-side-economics-experiment-date-finally-over-unmitigated-failurehttps://www.epi.org/blog/supply-side-abject-failure/More people are without healthcare insurance than under the previous administrationhttps://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2019/01/23/7-Million-More-Uninsured-Under-Trump I hope you don’t “miss the boat” because you failed to love and care for the Least of These… (Psst, ElleGeeBeeTease ID Politicking comes after them Allegedly Straights. And yeah lets do dis all week long!) As Amazon burns, Vatican prepares for summit on region’s faith and sustainabilit … August 30, 2019 TS (unami) says: February 27, 2019 at 9:16 pm February 25, 2019 at 10:22 pm Marriage hasn’t changed whatsoever:1 Corinthians 7 – Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.” But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.” No exceptionsThe Bible condemned homosexuality from Sodom and Gomorrah to the Book of Revelation. It is not an identity – it is a choice of sin. HpO says: TS (unami) says: March 5, 2019 at 5:21 pm Bruce Patterson says: HpO says: February 26, 2019 at 5:20 pm Slicey says: YES! Thank you! Understanding women and men as equals destroys “biblical marriage” as an argument, because that was nothing like what we understand marriage to be today. And if you don’t see men and women as equals in all parts of life, including in marriage, then you probably shouldn’t be worshiping in the UMC. I think the inherent equality in same-sex relationships is the real thing that frightens people who only promote “traditional marriage.” If our relationships are equal, where does that leave people who still believe that women should be subservient to men and that wives should submit to their husbands? Do you mean the Frist Commandment in which your god admits that your god is not the only god, and he really doesn’t care about other gods as long as he is first?That first commandment? D.M.S. says: February 26, 2019 at 1:41 pm Nope. Your posts are all about whataboutism and deflection. Attack the sins of others, deny/ignore/avoid/make excuses for the sins of those you support. Honest discussion is never your strong point. Trolling is. 🙂 Spuddie says: Yeah, to your first question, I guess I do mean that. Consider what a fraud it was for a bunch of guys to vote untruthful books in, such as Genesis and Revelation, and then have other people centuries later thinking all this stuff is the “Word of God” when it was just some guys voting. As for the “Divine Right of Kings”, please tell me you are making reference to that as a bit of jest and that you don’t really believe it. February 26, 2019 at 9:24 am Richard Rush says: February 26, 2019 at 1:48 pm There is one instance of “pais” being used in this slang manner in Ancient Greek — about 500 years before Christ. It says nothing about how a 1st century Jew would use it. The primary meaning of “pais” is child. Which presents bigger difficulties for your position than the simple biblical prohibitions themselves. A boy toy was hardly standard equipment for a centurion. Centurions has all sorts of relationships with women, both slave and free, and there was an extensive body of Roman law which dealt with the formalization of such unions, and the legitimization of the children they produced, after the term of service was up Sandi in EL says: the discussion in Matthew was surrounding taking a wife. No, gay men shouldn’t take a wife. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t marry. TS (unami) says: With most of their assemblies endorsing and promoting immorality and the celebration of immorality while partaking of communion, teaching young children that immorality is appropriate February 26, 2019 at 1:51 pm February 26, 2019 at 1:13 pm February 26, 2019 at 1:38 pm February 26, 2019 at 5:56 am February 27, 2019 at 8:24 am February 26, 2019 at 6:32 pm March 6, 2019 at 8:38 pm March 5, 2019 at 11:13 pm I choose my battle of words & attitudes wisely. You weren’t worth it from the get-go weeks ago. Hence my teaching you a lesson. Knowing this, you should just block my comments from here on.,Most senior Catholic charged with child sex abuse convicted in Australia Sandi in EL says: Most people are in fear of our Lords return. Including a majority of most so-called Christians. March 5, 2019 at 9:09 pm TS (unami) says: March 6, 2019 at 4:27 pm TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 2:26 pm TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 11:19 am Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 26, 2019 at 8:20 am LGBTQ people are *not* sexual abnormalities — they are human beings made in the Image of GOD as they are. While actively not even TRYING to do exactly what he/she preached? That’s the height of hypocrisy. Obviously the answer is no. Seriously, who in their right mind would follow anyone doing that, regardless of which sin it was? Such a preacher doesn’t even believe their own words. I was contemplating leaving the UMC as well, but it looks like the conference categorically rejected the modern PC proposal and supported the only time-honored choice consistent with Bible teaching. Good for them! I’ve read it, many times.What you’re missing is the Paul is talking about the *Gospel* — Christ’s death, burial and resurrection for all — *NOT* the status of gay people in the church. February 25, 2019 at 9:53 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:02 pm Did Christ teach that polygamy is “OK”, Sandi? February 26, 2019 at 2:35 pm February 28, 2019 at 1:12 pm March 5, 2019 at 1:29 pm TS (unami) says: February 28, 2019 at 9:25 pm Spuddie says: Sandi in EL says: HpO says: February 26, 2019 at 11:45 am I never had any trauma. I never felt that I got less attention from either of my parents. I never had a “bad” experience with boys that “put me off them”. I never had anything at all negative that “turned” me gay. At all, ever.I’m a gay woman because that’s how God *delighted* to make me. And I’m living fully in God’s Love and Grace as a married lesbian with a godly Christian wife and our children. God is Good. God is Love. Our love is embraced and filled with God’s Love.I wish you well.Peace.cc: @disqus_V7xIj9FpyQ:disqus While I cannot be sure that you and your brother were indoctrinated with religion while you were children, I’m sure that a huge majority of people who are now fanatically religious adults were indoctrinated by parents, relatives, and/or “friends,” and that the indoctrination typically involved being forced to attend frequent services (and/or “Sunday school”) at a local church (superstition indoctrination center).Indoctrination of children with religion should be viewed as one of the very worst categories of child-abuse. It tries to discourage rational thinking using reason, evidence, and logic, and then tries to force them to see Fantasy Accepted as Complete Truth (FACT). Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 26, 2019 at 2:44 pm Here you are:Centurion: Luke 7:1-10 or Mat 8:5-13Gay from birth: Mat 19:12 February 27, 2019 at 10:21 am OttoZeit says: Tuesday you’ll get your proof alright, Ed! Christians absolutely do fear the outcome of a lifestyle that rejects God’s Word. We don’t value public opinion above the Bible either. You do.Evidently some sins are more worthy of attention. Especially of those you wish to attack, but of course never one’s own sins.You can always be counted on to make excuses for people acting badly. I did. The word games are the ones being played by the the author of the Big 10. JD says: Protestants do not uphold Orthodox Christianity. “How many people are going to read your last sentence as ‘killing YOUR self’?”As many as are unable to distinguish between “the” and “your.” February 26, 2019 at 12:41 pm HpO says: He was teaching against idolatry Ben You are giving me canned fiction. Several months since Trump took credit for the straight line of economic upturn from his predecessor things have gone south very badly. Trump’s economic policies are tanking the economy. Wages have declined. Those tax breaks to the wealthy are very noticable tax burdens on all those who work for a living. Unnecessary trade wars have harmed various production sectors.“Liberals pander to minorities by telling them that they are victims and all their problems are someone else’s fault. ”The “Democrat Plantation” argument is one of the most bigoted ones you guys trot out. Somehow minorities are too stupid to see things for themselves and vote democrat according to you. Minorities run for cover to the Democrat party because Republicans embrace bigots of all stripes. They run on platforms of discrimination and deliberately harm the interests of those seeking living wages and middle class existence. You are full of it. March 1, 2019 at 1:52 pm We have already seen that pais has no sexual connotation anywhere in scripture. But it DOES usually have a youthful connotation. One of the gospel writers (Luke) DOES use the word “doulos.” And Luke, a Gentile, would have been more in touch with so-called “Roman culture” than the Jewish Matthew In addition, the Jewish elders assured Jesus that the centurion was “deserving” of a miracle. They would not have made any such recommendation of a sexually immoral person. February 25, 2019 at 10:45 pm “Pais” can mean either “child, young man” or “servant” (not necessarily young). The age and actual function all depends on context. It was a special term in the context of the Centurion. In Roman culture, homosexual relations were simply part of life. If the writer, or the Centurion had simply meant a male servant, he would have used the word “doulos” which unambiguously means “slave” and would have no sexual connotation. Here though, pais was used to elevate the servant. Slicey says: There are plenty of religions that don’t follow the “book”. The UMC is not one of them. Why can’t you just leave the UMC and be happy? floydlee says: Carl Longren says: I challenged you to recognize the basic conceptual distinction between dissing a living PERSON and dissing the SIGNIFICANCE of an abstract mathematical FIGURE that such a person might THEORETICALLY be a part of. You have so far demonstrated a dedicated unwillingness to even recognize the question.So this is your opportunity to respond directly to my directly stated “challenge”: Can you recognize that conceptual distinction… or not? I’ve often heard people defend their divorces and remarriages with that. Sandi in EL says: February 26, 2019 at 3:05 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:28 pm JD says: February 26, 2019 at 7:03 am TS (unami) says: ChuckW says: HpO says: What you don’t realize is that the church doesn’t shift with the cultureJesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever ChuckW says: Thank you for your words. I, too, have seen people saying they plan to leave the UMC over this decision. I think for most people that shouldn’t be necessary. If the traditional plan passes, nothing will change for most churches. It will be most difficult, obviously, for gay clergy who want to be ordained or serve in the United Methodist Church. They will all have a difficult decision to make. For laypeople, it should be easier. We may not be able to be married by our pastor, but we can still fully participate in church as a queer person. At my UMC, gay people participate in per-marriage classes, stand before the congregation to have their children baptized, participate in gay and lesbian bible studies and small group classes, we have PFLAG groups and groups for allies. We make sure that the kids’ Sunday school isn’t teaching any anti-gay message, because that would go against the UMC social principles. Many of my church friends are married, same-sex couples. They just got married outside of church. It’s disappointing, and would be nice to have the option for a church wedding, but in truth it wasn’t a big hardship for anyone I know. And of my straight friends, only one couple was married in the church they attend. It’s just very common today to be married elsewhere, either by your pastor, by a different faith leader, or by a justice of the peace. So, other than that one day, they are fully embraced by the church . February 27, 2019 at 6:29 am February 26, 2019 at 10:56 am February 25, 2019 at 7:06 pm February 25, 2019 at 11:17 pm Hmmmmm…. PlayStation; gotcha. 🙂 February 27, 2019 at 3:02 pm Sure you did every time you equivocated and avoided answering the question! You’re quick to condemn gay people but make excuses for polygamy!That’s called “Hypocrisy”, DMS… So, no divorce except for adultery. No remarriage to a divorced woman. Death for adultery and unbelievers.Right? Slicey says: February 26, 2019 at 3:06 pm Shawnie5 says: So show the scripture where God reprimands Abraham for having not than one wife…All you do is insult, never back up what you claim. And where did you receive you childhood indoctrination? Obviously not at a church. February 26, 2019 at 12:51 pm February 26, 2019 at 3:43 pm Prove your god exists. Sandi in EL says: February 25, 2019 at 11:22 pm Do you all not know that homosexuality wasn’t even a thing back then? Sexual identity is a fairly recent understanding. There was no need to either approve of or disapprove of same-sex marriage in biblical times because marriage then was nothing like marriage today. The vast majority of people marrying for love is a pretty new concept in human history. People married for many reasons, but it was more of a financial transaction or a practical transaction. Not so today. We understand marriage and partnership differently than many other cultures throughout history have understood it. Women now are able to have financial independence in most of the world and have less need to marry out of necessity, so have more choice. This completely changes what marriage is and we have brought it closer to God’s intended “partner/helper” desire for humans to not be alone. And a gay person desiring a partner in life is no different than a straight person’s desire to have a partner, so the desire for marriage – and to be married in one’s own church – is understandable. Now, back to “gay” being a new concept. Throughout history there have been same-sex sexual relations. But it is the relationship that is different. In the Bible, they never talked about homosexuality, because it wasn’t understood as an identity. Men having sexual relations together was only understood as a sex act. They weren’t considering marriage, or raising children together. They sometimes had male-male relationships that were about power and control, but not about equality. They had pederasty, where older males would teach younger males and this relationship involved sex. Those were the types of relations that were condemned in the Bible, the ones where one person was subservient to the other or under the control of the other or being abused by the other, but it is nothing like the equal relationships that gay persons enjoy today. February 26, 2019 at 12:10 pm Christ taught: English Standard Version “Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 February 26, 2019 at 11:21 pm Adam says: TS (unami) says: Yes you are right on both points.By “self”, I was referring to the ego or id or whatever some other people call that particular part of each of us that contains the will, or self-will.The part that always rebels against God.That’s the part that we strive to kill (on a daily basis).Thanks for the opportunity to clarify. Spuddie says: Elagabalus says: “…because we don’t believe that being gay is a sin.”With the emphasis on WE. WE decide what’s a sin and what isn’t. No you don’t – your personal beliefs are irrelevant to divine considerations (“as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55:9). And that’s about as simple as it gets TS (unami) says: What happened to GOD the Father?The One Who sent Christ Jesus here in the first place. March 6, 2019 at 3:20 pm Shawnie5 says: Tom_C says: Religious_Left says: TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 4:19 pm 7% = “marginalized” ?!7% = minority !! That’s all that number indicates. February 28, 2019 at 7:30 pm FriendlyGoat says: February 26, 2019 at 11:51 am February 26, 2019 at 12:41 pm Yes!!!!!!!!! Religious_Left says: Shawnie5 says: Sandi in EL says: TS (unami) says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 25, 2019 at 10:45 pm Then why are you even weighing in on this debate?It doesn’t concern you. February 26, 2019 at 11:08 am Shawnie5 says: February 28, 2019 at 5:41 pm I can agree with that, which is exactly what they do when they wish to exclude gay Christians from the Table. February 25, 2019 at 11:16 pm Hon, you do exactly what you have accused him of. Oh you mean persecuted real Christians . February 26, 2019 at 12:30 am Parker12 says: ChuckW says: February 26, 2019 at 7:07 pm TS (unami) says: Slicey says: TS (unami) says: km4hr says: Adam says: February 26, 2019 at 8:34 am JD says: February 26, 2019 at 8:22 pm Nice sock reply. Keep it up. HpO says: C C says: NOPE, WORLDWIDE IT’S:“Evangelical Churches Booming In Cuba Amid Tensions”, CBS, March 27, 2017.“The surprising growth of evangelical churches in France”, France 24, March 19, 2018.“Spanish evangelicals report unprecedented growth, now more than 4,000 churches”, Christian Today, January 24, 2018.“Evangelicalism is spreading among the Chinese of South-East Asia”, The Economist, January 4, 2018.“Even in Canada, Conservative Churches Are Growing”, Christianity Today, April 21, 2017.“Why has Pentecostalism grown so dramatically in Latin America?”, Pew Research Center, November 14, 2014.“Evangelical churches boom in Switzerland”, Swiss Info, December 4, 2011. Ah, are you inferring that the “less developed world” have no ability to think for themselves? Religious_Left says: February 26, 2019 at 1:35 am Religious_Left says: Shawnie5 says: February 26, 2019 at 5:13 pm TS (unami) says: I see it as hypocritical.” And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.” Romans 1:28 February 26, 2019 at 9:09 pm Valley Farm says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: Sandi in EL says: February 25, 2019 at 10:34 pm There is ultimate room for interpretation and for change!Thank goodness my church doesn’t believe that women should not speak in church, or that divorce is not tolerated, or, God forbid, that slavery is acceptable to God! February 26, 2019 at 11:54 am OttoZeit says: Sandi in EL says: I do believe in the Holy Trinity. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One GOD in three persons.Read the Nicene Creed once in a while, DMS.And as I’ve explained to you already, multiple times, only GOD is the HEAD of the church. Penny Reynolds Roberson says: TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 12:45 am March 6, 2019 at 3:26 pm February 25, 2019 at 10:51 pm March 6, 2019 at 12:39 am February 26, 2019 at 12:42 am Shawnie5 says: Bob Williford says: Slicey says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: March 8, 2019 at 1:34 pm Wow! What did people do before they could read? lol It is only recently that the common man has been able to read! February 26, 2019 at 8:20 am February 26, 2019 at 5:42 pm Actually, my childhood indoctrination was approximately 2/3 Presbyterian (USA) and 1/3 Assembly of God. The AoG part started when I was about 13 because my mother converted to it after being raised in a “mainstream” church. And then my parents divorced.I first realized I was only sexually attracted to boys at about age 13, and fortunately in those days (the late 1950’s) the churches didn’t screech about homosexuality, and I was completely closeted – as the vast majority of gay people were in those days.Fortunately, when I was in my mid-20’s I began to question everything about religion, and gradually came to the conclusion that it was all the truth TRUTH (Truly Repugnant and Untenable Theological Hogwash).And then my life got even better . . . and now I’m in the 38th year with my wonderful husband and personal savior. religion is insane says: February 25, 2019 at 7:18 pm Romans 1 is about Idol worship.I wonder if you’ve ever gone on to read Romans 2… Religious_Left says: Funny how your prejudice and Gods will always seem to be the sane thing. That is the joy of fundamentalism. Using God to absolve yourself of personal responsibility for being a malicious and vile person. If you are using your faith to justify treating others like garbage, you are merely being spineless, not pious. March 6, 2019 at 3:21 pm Which is why it’s absurd that some christians feel that *they* can declare who is a Christian and who is not… That distinction belongs to Christ alone, not them, not you, not me, not anyone. While the world is forever changing, God’s Word never changes. Scripture does not contradict itself; anyone can dance around scripture to make it mean what they need it to mean, but Romans 1 does not mince words. Those words may be rejected by the ‘court of public opinion,’ but does that really matter in the long run since God Almighty inspired them to be written? There are more passages about divorce and adultery, but I don’t see conservatives making a big deal about that! So, the obsession of some Christians with both homosexuality and The big Ten is really all of the former and none of the latter, seeing as this most important ever in never made into the Big Ten? February 26, 2019 at 4:33 pm The return of Christ Jesus is less than 60 years from now. If you’re a Christian and He’s your Lord and Savior.You’ll be fine…… unless humanity turns you against Him. February 26, 2019 at 9:07 am Maybe he’ll claim to speak five languages… and have a PhD in Chinese 😉 kso721 says: rushevents says: February 26, 2019 at 11:51 am February 26, 2019 at 5:09 pm NO, that was *not* my intended meaning. Of course, they are also Christians — but they are not “orthodox” (small o) in Christian practice, since they reject orthodox Christian teaching of the early church fathers and saints, many books of the bible and the sacraments of the church. HpO says: February 28, 2019 at 1:14 pm February 26, 2019 at 1:40 pm If your lifestyle does not match God’s will, it is your lifestyle that must change and not the will of God. One of the problems the Episcopal Church ran into was that typically the parishes own the property, not the diocese. You’re thinking of the Catholic approach.They attempted to remedy that with the Dennis Canon with mixed results.Colonial parishes with a history of ownership prior to the formation of TEC got away scott-free, as did parishes who exited prior to the Dennis Canon in some states.There is still ongoing litigation. Terra Jones says: February 26, 2019 at 7:04 pm Except all of them who voted for him and make excuses for his conduct. The majority of Christians who also promote discrimination of gays. Sin only matters if you can receive some benefit from the sinner. Terra Jones says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: March 5, 2019 at 5:37 pm March 6, 2019 at 9:56 pm February 26, 2019 at 6:43 pm a (Bi) Child of God says: Adam says: What makes it “attractional” for them is that it’s fear-based. Come to faith or else suffer the consequences. Looks nothing like Jesus, whose gospel reached out to those who were excluded, oppressed, and marginalized by the religion of that day. Ironic ain’t it? TS (unami) says: HpO says: This is outstanding news. I continue to hope and pray that the United Methodist church will uphold orthodox Christianity and I am so thankful for our African brothers and sisters in the faith who understand the clear teaching of Holy Scripture far better than liberal white people in the United States. If you read the Bible then you know it condemns homosexuality wherever its mentioned. It is never affirmed. February 26, 2019 at 12:07 am March 5, 2019 at 3:17 pm March 5, 2019 at 12:07 pm Parker12 says: February 25, 2019 at 10:57 pm February 25, 2019 at 9:59 pm February 26, 2019 at 4:44 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:01 am February 28, 2019 at 5:58 pm Obviously we are at an impasse. I sincerely wish blessings for you moving ahead. March 6, 2019 at 8:10 pm I read your discussion, all right. And have read it from numerous others around here who made as little sense as you do. Adam says: I’m doctor of Psychology and also Biblical Scholar. No where do the Scriptures condone Homosexuality! Galatians states though we or an Angel from Heaven preach unto you any other gospel than the one you have received, let that person be accursed! The world is forever changing, but God’s standards do not bend to the whims of the Politically Correct. Gutless PC Methodists have brought this into our church…Homsexuality is an abomination..and the African Delegates will make sure Homselxuality stay out of the UMC. You will never win…this Godless Satanic Battle…because it will cost you your soul and eternity…Go start your own church…that would be better for you floydlee says: LB says: “A m[aj]ority that you hate apparently” TS (unami) says: I know repeatedly posting the *exact same* comment on the channel that I most frequent would get them deleted or the user banned temporarily for spamming. 2 Timothy 3:16 Actually, Holy Scripture clearly affirms that homosexual practice is incompatible with Christian teaching regarding human sexuality. And all of Christianity has affirmed that right up into our present day. It is only in very recent decades that homosexuality has been seen by some as permissible. I’m grateful for our African brothers and sisters in the faith who are demonstrating authentic Christian faith to pro-homosexual white people in America. March 5, 2019 at 5:11 pm TS (unami) says: You were “locked” beneath the “desert” for how long now? UNTIL YESTERDAY?! HpO says: Adam says: Slicey says: Slicey says: Shawnie5 says: And I don’t?! Adam says: February 26, 2019 at 7:36 pm Tell us all about it. You ran away last time. Spuddie says: February 26, 2019 at 7:51 pm February 26, 2019 at 7:00 pm See Genesis 11. March 5, 2019 at 1:23 pm Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 26, 2019 at 1:41 pm HpO says: He just wants someone to hate. A common theme among conservatives. Sandi in EL says: HpO says: As I already said, I don’t agree to that whole-heartedly. The point is that even if true, it does not help your case. What marriage meant to 1st century Jews, or what it means today, isn’t important. As Jesus indicated in this passage, what matters is what marriage meant to HIM at the time of creation, since it is the creation model that He came to restore. The Church repudiates polygamy for the same reason — it does not comport with that model. February 26, 2019 at 11:31 am The scriptures are QUITE clear on divorce. All 3 of Him? D.M.S. says: “I have 60 to 70 years to see the death of Christianity.’Too young to know better, I reckon.And (by odd coincidence) you have exactly the same slot ifs time in which to see your own death.So you’d better hope Christianity hangs around until then — it’ll be your only way out. rushevents says: March 5, 2019 at 4:41 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:07 pm TS (unami) says: We are on the same side, but the Catholic Register is justifying a lower number by excluding Protestants and Orthodox as worldwide Christians… Hardly accurate to say that only the RCC are Christians. JD says: February 26, 2019 at 12:04 pm HpO says: One does not know Christ without the Bible. It is His declaration of who He is. March 5, 2019 at 10:59 pm The scripture is quite clear on homosexuality1 Corinthians 6:9-11English Standard Version (ESV)9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Valley Farm says: Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! with 12 acclamations D.M.S. says: HpO says: February 26, 2019 at 5:16 pm March 5, 2019 at 5:48 pm Sandi in EL says: I wish more evangelicals would listen less to their pastors’ opinions on everything and question more why they hold to interpretations that don’t align with the life example of Christ. TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 9:10 pm Vines’ book is nothing by 100% warmed-over John Boswell. D.M.S. says: February 26, 2019 at 9:11 pm Trust me on this – no Christian wants to exclude gay Christians from Christ’s Table. Love the person, hate the sin. All Christians are sinners saved by grace. Grace is available to all. It is the appearance of condoning the sin that weighs heavily on church leaders. If the prohibition on homosexual behavior, and indeed all the varieties of sexual immorality, were simply a matter of distinguishing Jew from Canaanite, why does Leviticus say explicitly that God judged and rejected the Canaanites for these practices long before there was ever a Torah or any Israelites in Canaan requiring “demarcation?” (Lev. 20:23) February 26, 2019 at 12:06 pm Why don’t you address his comment instead of playing word games… Divorced people or those who commit adultry are not usually talking about it all the time or confusing our kids about how many sexes there are or making the kids wonder if they “were born in the wrong body.” Sin between consenting adults is not new – what is new is the intense indoctrination going on in Hollywood, the media and some school systems that leaves impressionable kids totally confused. I admire the Methodist Church for using God’s Word as their guide. February 26, 2019 at 9:14 pm You should edit the phone number out. It has no place in this kind of board. Nobody needs to dox themselves here. TS (unami) says: Then yes, GOD the Son (Jesus )condemned Lgb sexual relations in Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13. So what? The justification is the same. News February 26, 2019 at 9:23 pm Sandi in EL says: Please quote Jesus saying anything negative about gay people. February 26, 2019 at 12:50 pm Being fanatically in love with Christ can happen to adults, too. When we realize who He is and what He did to secure our redemption, then of course we sound like fanatics!!! March 5, 2019 at 4:08 pm No, you don’t, actually.You cannot quote Him and you twist scripture to suit your hateful agenda. In the Matthew reference, the actual Aramaic spoke by Jesus was “m’haynma” which translates literally to “trusted one.” Jesus identified three such persons: Those who have renounced physical relationships (i.e. priests), those madem’haynma by other men (actual eunuchs), and those m’haynma from birth (gay men). When one says that the person is “trusted,” that’s not to say that they’re sexless. Presumably the eunuch and priest are, but a gay man does not need to be sexless to be trusted around women. The discussion was about taking a wife, and those individuals who would likely not take one. TS (unami) says: I fail to see how a serial adulteror, racist, liar, misogynist and blatant narcissist is anything remotely close to “God’s Choice”!I’m not going to be led down the path of fascism by a wannabe dictator who is *idolized* by power-hungry Dominionists.Nope. Not gonna happen. He’s definitely NOT “God’s Choice”! Widuran says: *yawn*Oh, Im sorry. Were you trying to make a point…? March 5, 2019 at 5:06 pm February 26, 2019 at 9:25 pm The main reason evangelicals voted for Trump was liberals constantly attacking religion and their beliefs. As the saying goes, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” That and liberals embracing every deviant behavior known to man. Look at the sentence structure also… No version of “being” is a sin. I never claimed as such. All sins I’m aware of are sins of commission or omission. What do you mean by “practice?” Do you mean that two people of the same sex having intercourse is not a sin? Share This! Richard Rush says: “Listen Adam, I get that you want to hate gay people.”The only thing you “get” is pulled from your own head. His presumed angry rejection of homosexuals is in fact a projection of your own angry rejection of his point of view. If your ultimate riposte is to declare “Everything you say is wrong because your motives are corrupt,” it’s a claim of psychic powers, or a simple assertion that “I understand you better than you do” – either of which is plainly a venture into absurdity No. It was about homosexuality. Whatever caused you to think otherwise? D.M.S. says: February 26, 2019 at 6:39 am TS (unami) says: March 5, 2019 at 2:48 pm TS (unami) says: February 27, 2019 at 5:42 pm February 26, 2019 at 2:42 pm February 25, 2019 at 11:11 pm “The Rev. Denise Honeycutt of the Virginia Annual Conference had encouraged delegates to support the plan because she said it allows for churches to hold differing beliefs and ‘together we are stronger’.”From “The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church”:“Beyond the essentials of vital religion, United Methodists respect the diversity of opinions held by conscientious persons of faith. Wesleyfollowed a time-tested approach: ‘In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; and in all things, charity’.”What Honeycutt and the rest pushing the One Church Plan are trying to do is reduce doctrines about sex and marriage to the status of non-essentials. Do any of them really believe that? I rather doubt it–certainly those pushing the Traditional Plan don’t. February 25, 2019 at 11:15 pm D.M.S. says: OttoZeit says: March 6, 2019 at 3:26 am It’s not. I asked if you were asserting if Jesus is the ONLY head of the church. Your statement is still ambiguous. Is he or not? February 27, 2019 at 3:50 pm TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 1:13 am February 26, 2019 at 11:59 am Edna Hakenson says: February 26, 2019 at 4:49 pm February 26, 2019 at 1:02 am This is how you know religion is blind because it’s rooted in the absurd notion that the ethics of ancient desert locked middle-eastern tribes people are somehow the word of god(s). March 6, 2019 at 1:19 pm JD says: February 25, 2019 at 7:20 pm TS (unami) says: February 27, 2019 at 3:19 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:31 pm Share This! February 26, 2019 at 11:17 am So is Harry Potter. Both characters in a book filled with mythological fairy tales and [some] facts. SOME of Jesus’s ethics were fine, some of them have no place in modern society. The fact that Jesus, the SUPPOSED son of the force responsible for the expansion of universe couldn’t figure out there are no such things as demons/devils, (as per Mark/Luke) goes to show you he clearly isn’t tied to such a potential entity and that his knowledge is a result of the ethics and times in which he supposedly lived as there is nothing Jesus said (because absolutely NONE of the bible was actually written by him) that’d couldn’t have been written by any 1st century thinker/philosopher/contemplative. Hmmmm…. PlayStation; got it. 🙂 February 25, 2019 at 8:17 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:34 pm You mean the passage that attacks idolaters, revilers and slanderers. People who use their religion as a pretext to harm others, like you. March 5, 2019 at 5:47 pm amen Adam says: If you actually read scripture. You would read that God/Jesus forgives people for all of their past ‘ Sins ‘, when they repent of their sins and ask for forgiveness. Provide me the citation that directly evidences one of those three stated that one of Trumps sinful activities was not a sin. And if you do find it, I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you condemning their statement. TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 2:48 pm Sandi in EL says: February 26, 2019 at 11:49 am Religious_Left says: I’m waiting for TS to stop running away and answer the questions Anything that will hasten the demise of Christianity is welcome. Sandi in EL says: TS (unami) says: Tom_C says: February 26, 2019 at 1:07 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:56 am TS (unami) says: Nowhere is it mentioned as sinful to the degree you claim it to be. The malice, self righteousness, and dishonesty you express right now is mentioned far more often and decried far more explicitly as sinful. But what is the point of faith if you can’t use it as an excuse to attack others, Amirite? Said the person who is quoting garbage which hasn’t been remotely true for over a year. Which was only half true when originally said by our Liar in Chief. You are left with personal attacks because you have nothing to support yourself. Oh well. I guess you have to do something to earn your vodka and black bread ration at the gulag. Emily McFarlan Miller Emily McFarlan Miller is a national reporter for RNS based in Chicago. She covers evangelical and mainline Protestant Christianity.,598 Comments Click here to post a comment Adam says: February 26, 2019 at 11:56 am TS (unami) says: JD says: March 5, 2019 at 11:35 pm Elagabalus says: NOPE, IN U.S. IT’S:“Evangelicals Once Again Dominate List of Top-growing Large UM Congregations”, Juicy Ecumenism”, November 20, 2018.“Some U.S. Christian Groups May be Declining, But Not Evangelicals”, Facts and Trends, March 22, 2018.“‘Mainline’ churches are emptying. The political effects could be huge”, Vox, July 14, 2017. Note: “[NOT ‘Evangelical’] churches are emptying”!]“Liberal churches are dying. But conservative churches are thriving”, Washington Post, January 4, 2017.“Examining the Sources of Conservative Church Growth: Where Are the New Evangelical Movements Getting Their Numbers?”, Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, Volume 36, Number 1, March 1997, pages 71-80. C C says: I’ve rarely ever encountered a prog of any kind who could debate without telling his interlocutor what he “really” thinks/means. February 26, 2019 at 1:11 pm The alternative was someone who acted in the Christian manner and stayed with her wayward spouse. They preferred a serial adulterer, habitual liar, embezzler, and bigot. Trump was elected with the help of evangelicals, because they thought they could have greater access to political power. They have continued to support him because their professed values are a complete sham. They wanted a corrupt grifter with no respect for rule and law. Easier to work with them as opposed to people who uphold inconvenient. democratic principles. February 26, 2019 at 9:21 am February 26, 2019 at 12:09 am Sandi in EL says: February 26, 2019 at 1:07 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:16 am TagsGeneral Conference homepage featured LGBT One Church Plan Top Story UMCGC United Methodist Church,You may also like You are openly lying to both me and yourself by selectively excerpting what I said and twisting it to justify your perception that I think you’re less than human–which I directly said the opposite of. 1a) You claimed I said: “unrepentant person who engages in the sin of same sex intercourse”1b) I actually was just identifying what the UMC’s issue (1 of 2 that I’m aware of at least) was to show your points were off topic: “The issue isn’t whether Jesus loves gays or that gays exist—both points I agree with—the issue is whether an unrepentant person who engages in the sin of same sex intercourse should lead the church.”2a) You claimed I said: “they have prioritized sin over God”2b) I actually said: “For the record, I concede that the church over-emphasized homosexual sex for decades if not centuries, as if it’s a greater sin than others. It’s not. But anyone who chooses not to repent has chosen sin over God. That person cannot be given the responsibility of leading others to God, as they have prioritized sin over God. But they are loved by God and should be welcome to attend the church.” – My language clearly was not treating homosexuals as any less than any other form of sinner (which all of us are) that chooses not to repent. 3a) You claimed I said: “That person cannot be given the responsibility of leading others to God”3b) I actually said: “But anyone who chooses not to repent has chosen sin over God. That person cannot be given the responsibility of leading others to God, as they have prioritized sin over God. But they are loved by God and should be welcome to attend the church.”That is blatantly dishonest excerpting to justify your resentment and pain. I didn’t cause that. You did that to yourself. Then you took it a step further and inserted an intent that I did not have so that you could further stoke your own anger:You said, “Sinful, less than, not worthy. All words to punish gay people for simply being who they are, wanting to be in a loving relationship, and somehow get through life just like you. ”I never said less than or not worthy. You attempted to insert those words into my mouth. I repeatedly said the exact opposite and further stated that ALL non-repentant sinners should not be allowed to lead the church.It is not civil or honest discourse to intentionally lie about what I just PROVABLY said. You are lying to both me and yourself in order to stoke your own pain and feed your own resentment. The bible says what it says. I can’t help what’s written there. You’re welcome to start a church that picks and chooses from the bible. It’s America. Have at it. And I will stand next to you to defend you against anyone who would bully or make you feel less than human and or as anything other than an equal child of God. But you are not welcome to bully others into giving up their beliefs. Your dishonest excerpts of what I said especially coupled with an attempt to make me disown what I have observed of Christian beliefs (“You’re welcome to walk away from your words. I wish you would.”) is clearly an attempt to intimidate me through guilt and shame. I’m open to reason, not intimidation.You’ve proven yourself to be dishonest. Now I question how many other things you’ve been dishonest about. I’m done here. TS (unami) says: Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 27, 2019 at 4:07 pm February 25, 2019 at 10:35 pm Until it finally sinks in, would be my guess. February 26, 2019 at 6:41 pm This is wonderful news that the Traditional Plan has moved forward. I’m grateful to see the UMC moving toward affirmation of traditional Christianity including traditional Christian ethics in terms of human sexuality. My hope is that the Traditional Plan will be fully affirmed by the delegates and that the Church will remain gospel centered and not subject to the whims of cultural fashion. Share This! OttoZeit says: March 6, 2019 at 12:23 am February 26, 2019 at 12:51 pm Sandi in EL says: Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email March 6, 2019 at 4:23 pm No u Are you Methodist, Shawnie5? The spiritual and moral health of the nation concerns me, which means the spiritual and moral health of at least the large sects concerns me even if I ultimately have no say in their decisions (nor should have). Obviously facts don’t matter to you. You are so brain dead that all you have is the same old liberal talking points that have no relationship to reality. Have a good day, there in your mama’s basement. Sandi in EL says: March 5, 2019 at 5:58 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:45 pm It’s not threatening to treat your church apart because the UMC likes to minimalize actual sin close to home in favor of attacking nonexistent sins of people who God made differently than others. God loves you beyond all comprehension.God welcomes youGod blesses the LGBTQ community OttoZeit says: February 26, 2019 at 2:28 pm Amen. 🙂Not an issue for Russian trollbots. SA (lami): “7 [% being the numbers on average, of homosexuals in various populations, is] Holy Number [which means] no human being is ‘useless’. [For instance, 7% of journalists voting for George H.W. Bush in 1992, is] Holy Number [which means] no human being is ‘useless’. [7% of York Central homes being truly affordable, is] Holy Number [which means] no human being is ‘useless’. [7% of K-12 teachers wanting to carry guns in the classroom, is] Holy Number [which means] no human being is ‘useless’. [7% of People Saying They Never Make Their Bed, is] Holy Number [which means] no human being is ‘useless’. [7% of Organizations Believing Their Leadership Development Programs Are Best in Class, is] Holy Number [which means] no human being is ‘useless’. [7% thinking Oscar Pistorius is innocent, is] Holy Number [which means] no human being is ‘useless’.”HpO: Hold the SA (lami)! Hold the SA (lami)! Yes I do. Jesus stated that this geration will not pass away when Israel become a nation again. It’s already been 70 years when Israel became a nation again. Seriously, God knew what was being written in His Word. Interpretation is man’s response to understanding/dealing with what He said. And scripture also assures us that a God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. If one rightly divides the Word of God, God brings peace and understanding. That does not ensure that all humans will like or practice what He said. Christians will bethe first to tell you that they are sinners, saved by grace. Grace covers all sins. The issue here is the flaunting and promotion of sin.The Methodist church probably does not want known adulterers/adulteress in the pulpit either. February 25, 2019 at 10:41 pm February 25, 2019 at 11:25 pm February 26, 2019 at 4:01 pm RidingTheLine says: February 26, 2019 at 12:12 pm Objection; comment is conjecture. religion is insane says: “I have adults to converse with instead.”If you refuse to engage their points with the same dedication you’ve devoted to mine – in favor of throwing out deflections and distractions – it’ll be as frustrating to both parties as this one has been…if they’re actually “adults,” that is. You despise HpO’s point of view – from your point of view – fair enough, as this is a forum for point-of-view ventilation. But turning your point-of-view disagreement into his personal hatred, and an occasion for ventilating your own personal hostilities, is an intellectual faux pas no one should be allowed to get away with. Again, to boil down and simplify the issue between us (for your comprehensional convenience), it is this: you seem unable to recognize the difference between the viewpoint and the person. You seem unable to recognize that your opinion about the morality of his positions (i.e., that they’re “bad” ones) doesn’t give you warrant to pass judgment on his character, or to accuse him of “hatred.”Finally, I note that this is not just a point to be made about your argumentative style, it’s a more sweeping critique of the whole Progressive rhetorical playbook: “The positions you espouse are immoral. I can plainly see that, but you can’t. Therefore, I’m a good person, and you’re a bad one – so I win the argument.”I’ll call BS on that one, all day long. Perhaps but Jesus talks about marriage in Matthew. I post an amended response I wrote to Elagabalus on another article.Matthew 19:4-6 (NIV), “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”While this may pertain to divorce, what this tells me is that (a) Jesus believed that there were two genders and (b) Because of that he states that regarding marriage he believed that it was between a man and a woman.Jesus never stated anything explicit about homosexuality nor do I believe that being gay, bi, or transgender means you are a flawed creation or an abomination. Essentially not a sin. However I do believe that if you happen to be attracted to someone of the same sex and act on those feelings that that would be a sin. The same way that people who have premarital sex are committing sin, those who get divorced, and those who masturbate either looking at porn or just fantasize about someone to whom you’re not married. Why am I not mentioning sins listed in Leviticus/Numbers you may ask – I’ll talk about that below.He also says in Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV), “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”Essentially he is looking at the Ten Commandments and condensing them into two commandments. So (a) because I’m not Jewish, (b) because Jesus came with a new covenant, (c) because Jesus also said that he didn’t come to abolish the old new but fulfill it, leads me to only follow the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament as well as what Jesus prescribed we do which is LOVE. Love G-D and Love all our brothers and sisters.Scripture referencing point c. Matthew 5:17-20, 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”For me Jesus is the Messiah and whom I follow as a Christian so regardless of what the culture may have been like during the New Testament, he was speaking truth. That’s really one of two questions for me 1) If culturally he was speaking to a different context or understanding then how would he state his beliefs now? And was what he was saying back then not truth? 2) Can anyone try to explain how what is said in Matthew isn’t relevant? I understand that the text may have been mistranslated or perhaps the author may have erred. However it is what we currently unless someone finds the scroll written in Aramaic. Additionally, if one disregards Jesus’ words because of context then what of commandments in the New Testament should be disregarded? *Notice I didn’t mention Paul. I admire his devotion even though I don’t agree with a lot of what he said and he is not the son of G-D. Therefore I try to center my life on what Jesus prescribed. Yet, they don’t think they’re picking and choosing scripture. March 5, 2019 at 5:43 pm It’s a cornerstone of your belief system; that anyone who doesn’t believe like you is either angry with god, full of hate or of your devil. TS (unami) says: You’re the one that is laughable that if you actually believe that a Holy,Holy,Holy God would give all of those woman to David or Abraham to commit sin with them.Your thought if the very God/Jesus that you believe in is quite deplorable.Only damnable man/womankind would have such deplorable thoughts of our Holy God/Jesus. Call this, “JD’s Ashiest Theory of Hate”, that was published “7 hours ago”, “3 months ago”, “4 months ago” and “5 months ago”:“Hate is a Christian thing … [because Christians] believe in [a] particular mythology. … I don’t hate, … I simply dont believe in [their] particular mythology.“Hate is a Christian thing … [because what they do is] believe in … mythology. … I don’t hate. I simply don’t believe in [their] mythology.“Hate is a Christian thing … [because Christians don’t] feel sadness for [being] trapped in paranoid mythologies. … I don’t hate [because] I do feel sadness for those trapped in paranoid mythologies.“Hate is a Christian thing … [because Christians] are so trapped by their own beliefs … I don’t hate [because I’m not] trapped by their own beliefs …“Hate is a Christian thing … [because for Christians it’s not] hard to hate something that’s a fairy tale … I have no hatred [because] it’s hard to hate something that’s a fairy tale.“Hate is a Christian thing … [because don’t Christians] hate Santa Claus? Jack Frost? The Easter Bunny? … Do [I] hate Santa Claus? Jack Frost? The Easter Bunny? No, of course not, that would be silly.”“Hate is a Christian thing … It’s akin to [Christians] being angry with Santa Claus … Again, I don’t hate. I simply … [am not] angry with Santa Claus which is ridiculously silly.” February 26, 2019 at 10:18 pm February 25, 2019 at 9:05 pm Yes I believe in the Holy Trinity.It’s obvious by your answer to Adam you do not.God the Father sent Christ Jesus here to earth to carry out God the Fathers will for all of us.As Christ Jesus mentioned many times in scripture that I’m here because of the One Who sent Me.That’s why Christ Jesus statedJohn 10:25-30.The Father GOD and GOD the Son are ONE.What the Father thinks the Son does also in all things. Look again.He says “There is no other God…………..”and then lists all the other places where there are no other Gods.But even if you think there are other Gods, so be it.But He goes on and says don’t place them above Him.And if you place Him first, you will understand that you don’t need any others.Give it a try. What have you got to lose? Again, only in your paranoid superstitious mythology.Others dont have an issue. TS (unami) says: February 27, 2019 at 3:11 am February 27, 2019 at 4:22 pm I am absolutely certain you have to keep trolling constantly in order to earn your vodka and black bread ration for the week and avoid turnip harvesting duties at the gulag. D.M.S. says: February 26, 2019 at 12:30 am Look, if your trying to trust my words and stack with ad hominem, find another player — I don’t have time for games.Last Time: Jesus Christ alone is the HEAD of HIS church. ONE HEAD. ONE LORD. ONE GOD.If you think a human being other than Christ Himself gets to be HEAD, then I have no more words.Goodnight. OttoZeit says: February 26, 2019 at 9:02 am She had an affair while married, didn’t she? February 27, 2019 at 8:21 am JD says: That’s not what happens in every case, though, is it? The man remarries and is still living in adultery per biblical text. Religious_Left says: A word of caution here- in your zeal to show sympathy see to it you don’t promote the sin as God will hold you as guilty as those practicing it. March 5, 2019 at 11:39 pm Oh, I got it — I was Russian Orthodox for most of my life. February 27, 2019 at 4:45 pm Gehennah says: See Shawnie5’s response below. Great question, and totally spot-on. Slicey’s slant is that the word “To’evah” (abomination) ain’t so bad after all, when it comes to homosexual behavior. American athletes wear their Stars & Stripes at the Olympics, while the Canadian athletes wear their Maple Leaf. It’s just a “cultural boundary marker”, that’s all, with no heavy “moral ethical value” attached to it. That’s what Slicey is saying about To’evah.But that’s obviously not how the Bible employs the word To’evah. For example, in Leviticus 20:13, if you did a homosexual act as a member of OT Israel under the Mosaic Law , you’ve done a To’evah AND the specified-by-God-Himself penalty for that specific To’evah, is that you both receive the ***death penalty.*** So To’evah ain’t just some minor low-octane cultural marker to merely show folks that you are a Jew instead of a Canaanite. KennyCraig says: Except, except … oops, IN THE U.S.“Evangelicals Once Again Dominate List of Top-growing Large UM Congregations”, Juicy Ecumenism”, November 20, 2018.“Some U.S. Christian Groups May be Declining, But Not Evangelicals”, Facts and Trends, March 22, 2018.“‘Mainline’ churches are emptying. The political effects could be huge”, Vox, July 14, 2017. Note: “[NOT ‘Evangelical’] churches are emptying”!]“Liberal churches are dying. But conservative churches are thriving”, Washington Post, January 4, 2017.“Examining the Sources of Conservative Church Growth: Where Are the New Evangelical Movements Getting Their Numbers?”, Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, Volume 36, Number 1, March 1997, pages 71-80. February 27, 2019 at 4:15 pm February 26, 2019 at 2:17 am Why this is being discussed is amazing in that nowhere in the Scriptures is homosexuality declared anything but a sin. Unlike most other sins in the Scriptures it involves a lifestyle without repentance. Therefore I for one will leave the United Methodist Church as this is nothing more than a group whose goal is to force their lifestyle on the Church and the leadership has failed in allowing the discussion. If they are sincere in wanting to serve God and abide by his commandments, they are free to start their own Church as at some point and time is just what the Methodist did. However their goal is nothing more than to change the Church to accept their sinful lifestyle. February 26, 2019 at 4:23 pm Bible-study question for me is, What were they, in fact, that “God did … issue”? Wisely interesting, according to Exodus 20:1, 22, God Himself simply called them His “words” whose purpose was so that “the sons of Israel [might] have seen that [He] have spoken to [them] from heaven.” And that was why, in Deuteronomy 5:1-2, prophet Moses classified them as “the statutes and the ordinances which … the Lord our God made [in] a covenant”. Wcharnock says: This is what happens when you don’t know history, and try to read the Bible. Centurions typically traveled with a young male servant/lover. They were referred to as a “pais,” which was the word used in the original Greek. When the KJV of the Bible came out, they simply translated “pais” to servant. More evidence can be seen in the fact that the Centurion sought out Jesus’s help in curing him. Normally, the Centurion’s pais was expendable. In this case, the Centurion loved his pais to the point that he was willing to seek out a Jewish Rabbi (Jesus) who was rumored to have healing power. It would take a lot of courage tor the Centurion to do that, given the politics of the day. As for the Matthew reference, the actual Aramaic spoke by Jesus was “m’haynma” which translates to “trusted one.” Jesus identified three such persons: Those who have renounced physical relationships (i.e. priests), those made m’haynma by other men (actual eunuchs), and those m’haynma from birth (gay men). TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 9:24 am Religious_Left says: February 28, 2019 at 7:56 am D.M.S. says: And if you do not mean “head” (your word) to be fully synonymous with “leader” (my original word) say so. OttoZeit says: There was no official Canon of scripture for over 300 years after Christ died and was raised. Where He said exactly nothing negative about any LGBTQ human being made in God’s Image. TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 8:56 pm As far as I know, people are safe in the Methodist Church.At least all the Methodist churches that I’m familiar with.Being “yourself” is not what being a Christian is about.It is about killing the self. TS (unami) says: OttoZeit says: He said nothing except that Male and Female God Created them…and that a man shall leave his father and mother and clean to his wife and the two shall be one!!!! What Bible are you reading???? The “approved” reading list of moldy old scrolls never actually became a single-volume book until about 500 years later. It was not until the printing press was invented that Bibles became available to the public, and then the RCC was still burning people at the stake for the “crime” of having any part of the Bible in written form. The Bible was “too sacred” for ordinary people to have; meaning that if people could read for themselves they might question the BS that they were told in church. Hear me, I believe all churches should accept anyone and everyone as we are all broken and none are righteous before God. The question is should a gay person be accepted as clergy. That is what the UMC decided this week. Why are you trying to speak for him? NO, I don’t care if it’s ONE person — they are a *human being* and NOT “insignificant” or “useless”. Period. February 26, 2019 at 4:23 pm D.M.S. says: rushevents says: Christians only pay attention to the old laws when convenient to them. In this case to ignore “love thy neighbor” and act like malicious bigots in public. Or, maybe you’ll learn to write coherent responses. Is this the discussion you want to have? March 5, 2019 at 4:58 pm Shawnie5 says: HpO says: February 26, 2019 at 8:42 am Sandi in EL says: February 26, 2019 at 12:46 pm I see it as honesty. So you admit you hate gays. Certainly not. My original comment was just intended to draw attention to your error of using the big “O” when you intended the little “o” meaning of the word — a passing comment at best. That should have been the end of the discussion right there. But you spent the next several exchanges pointlessly trying to argue you had made no error. As long as we’ve got that straight now, I’m happy to say “Ta-ta.” Shawnie5 says: February 27, 2019 at 1:04 pm February 25, 2019 at 11:46 pm Leviticus seems more straight-forward, but is it? It clearly describes behavior that is not pleasing to God, not acceptable to the Jews. But what is the overall context? These passages are contained in the Law God gave to Moses after the Jews left behind pagan culture in Egypt, before entering another pagan culture in Canaan. The law set clear boundaries to keep the Jews separate from the surrounding cultures. If a Jew broke any prohibition in the Law, he or she was guilty of breaking the whole Law. There were no distinctions drawn between “lesser” or “greater” prohibitions. [Side note: this is why devout Orthodox Jews today keep all of these rules like not mixing fabrics, or women keeping their hair covered, or not being touched while menstruating.]If you’re going to disregard all of those prohibitions as Christians, yet try to keep the prohibition on same-sex behavior, then it’s important to understand what behavior they’re talking about. The verse uses the word “toevah”, translated as “abomination,” used 117 times in the OT. It is generally associated with foreign, cultural, idolatrous, or religious practices. toevah was not an ethical term, however, but marked boundaries with a basic sense of taboo. These boundaries were necessary because every facet of a Jew’s life was intended as a visible demarcation between himself and the pagan cultures surrounding him. Their lives were governed by orderliness. Their biggest motivation was to avoid anything that the pagans did, and the pagans commonly participated in same-sex behavior. Also, the only prohibitions were on men having sex with other men. There was no rule about women having sex with women. They considered a man taking the sexual role of a woman (submissive) to be degrading. Thus they were told to remain separate from all behaviors resembling pagan behaviors, less they be mistaken to be one of them. How about Tony Perkins giving Trump a “mulligan”?https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/23/tony-perkins-evangelicals-donald-trump-stormy-daniels-216498 ChuckW says: February 28, 2019 at 8:49 pm Bingo, Slicey! Well said. February 25, 2019 at 10:09 pm Ron McPherson says: So, you think… That the *entire* city… EVERY man, both young AND old as the scripture says… ALL of the men, every last one of them in the city… Was gay…*shakes head slowly* February 26, 2019 at 11:51 am TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 12:45 pm February 26, 2019 at 4:02 pm No God is correct I follow God who has revealed the truth Yep. Religious_Left says: NO, He does not. He even said so.But YOU “DMS”, think that you’re more knowledgeable! YOU said:“The return of Christ Jesus is less than 60 years from now.“You. Do. Not. Know. The comment was about “voting.” I’m “obstinate” about getting you to recognize that your whole diatribe against HpO was based on a misunderstanding (yours). I’ve exposed your intellectual pratfall; you’ve refused to even acknowledge what I’m talking about. My work here is done. February 26, 2019 at 6:35 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:02 am Being attracted to someone of the same gender has no bearing on the types of relationships someone has with someone. Same-sex relationships can be life-giving in ways a different-sex relationship is. Because I have life in Christ, I choose to have standards for how I would go about a relationship. Regardless of gender, I intend on only having one monogamous marriage. The road indeed is narrow and many do not find it.I am able to thrive in my church because the message is grace. However, when I visit another church that is not LGBT-affirming, I have to deal with the mental anguish of being afraid of being honest about who I am attracted to. And this mental anguish, of being intimidated by homophobia, of feeling there are certain things about yourself you cannot talk about can lead to depression, even sometimes suicide—-internalized homophobia is self-destructive. Both grace and love is a gift from God and this does not need to be considered destructive. Grace and love are life-giving and life-affirming. February 25, 2019 at 10:26 pm HpO says: kso721 says: TS (unami) says: Versus what? Revelations? Voices? Burning bushes? There’s not just 10 commandments btw, and George Carlin thoroughly destroyed the validity of how “immutable” the 10 commandments are. February 27, 2019 at 3:32 pm TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 3:08 pm February 26, 2019 at 9:08 pm March 1, 2019 at 6:21 pm HpO says: March 6, 2019 at 12:02 am February 26, 2019 at 11:30 pm Spuddie says: March 6, 2019 at 8:32 pm March 2, 2019 at 1:56 am Lol….He’s GOD.God knows everything.. Suspicious claims, since you just said that you were already a “doctor”, not a “doctoral candidate”. Did Jesus say to stone to death your disobedient son?Deuteronomy 21:18-21Why haven’t you “obeyed” God by stoning your disobedient son or anyone working on the Sabbath?Hypocrisy. Yes, TS, it is. Homosexuals follow an idol – a self made deity. That is why Christ turned them over to a reprobate mind to do that which is not good. Adam says: March 4, 2019 at 4:48 pm Sandi in EL says: Daniel De Kok says: March 6, 2019 at 3:21 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:28 pm February 25, 2019 at 10:21 pm One of the gay apologists’ more ridiculous arguments. Truly, it doesn’t matter what your ‘sect’ believes. The only thing that matters for all eternity is whether Jesus Christ knows you.The only way anyone can know is to read scripture for themselves. D.M.S. says: floydlee says: There is a difference between a “status” or a “condition” and an “identity.” C C says: Religious_Left says: Ben in Oakland says: TS (unami) says: see what I responded ot him. 7. Holy Number.You’re welcome. It depends, are they Christians?Non-Christians wouldn’t care one way or the other. February 26, 2019 at 7:11 pm Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 26, 2019 at 11:34 am Still waiting for you to quote where GOD tells Abraham and David to not have multiple wives, concubines and slave girls… February 26, 2019 at 9:22 am HpO says: March 5, 2019 at 2:30 pm Kiumbi says: Please consider Jesus’ words:“If you love father or mother more than me, you are not worthy to be my follower.” (I would add “or self”).“Those who do the will of my father are my mother and my brothers.”and from the Sermon on the Mount (Matt.7) “Be wary of false preachers …. Who preachers ARE is the main thing, not what they say. …. “Knowing the correct password–saying ‘Master, Master,’ for instance–isn’t going to get you anywhere with me. What is required is serious obedience–doing what my Father wills. I can see it now–at the Final Judgment thousands strutting up to me and saying, ‘Master, we preached the Message, we bashed the demons, our God-sponsored projects had everyone talking.’ And do you know what I am going to say? ‘You missed the boat. All you did was use me to make yourselves important. You don’t impress me one bit. Yo’re out of here.’”I hope you don’t miss the boat because of false shepherds. The fruit of Love is godly. February 26, 2019 at 5:11 pm Slicey says: Parker12 says: Slicey says: Because sin and damnation are always about what other people do, never yourself. Only ones which enable you to act maliciously to others are really important. Not ones requiring reflection and self awareness. Simpky spineless bigotry for those who wants to use religion to avoid owning up to personal prejudice. February 26, 2019 at 9:15 am February 26, 2019 at 12:05 pm HpO says: February 26, 2019 at 12:54 pm March 6, 2019 at 6:26 pm February 26, 2019 at 3:13 pm usingmyvoice says: Shawnie5 says: Yes, He did. March 5, 2019 at 3:22 pm ‘We hate gays’ should be your new motto yes? bmayer504 says: Adam says: February 25, 2019 at 10:22 pm Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment. March 5, 2019 at 3:43 pm That’s why we’re each told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We are never to be “following” a church, a denomination, or a person. We are to personally read scripture so that we KNOW what God says and better understand Jesus Christ, the Son of God. You aren’t God and you don’t determine anyone’s salvation.Your words and actions displayed after hardly Christlike! So take your judgemental self-righteous attitude somewhere else… So, you do hate gays. March 6, 2019 at 1:46 pm February 26, 2019 at 2:29 pm No, it’s “Canadian women landing fish”. Note the word ‘personally’. Important to know what Scripture actually says instead of knowing what others say it says… D.M.S. says: February 26, 2019 at 12:10 pm Sometimes the truthhurts. Sorry to cause youpain. February 25, 2019 at 11:24 pm Slicey says: Yep. And the biggest idol of all is Self — and it never goes away. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever TS (unami) says: God/Jesus created no one lgbtq.God/Jesus calls the sexually active lgbtq an abomination unto Him. TS (unami) says: Hey, keep dividing… It’s what Protestants do best. So you don’t believe in the Trinity, do you? March 5, 2019 at 11:37 pm HpO says: OttoZeit says: Bruce Patterson says: Religious_Left says: February 26, 2019 at 2:37 pm TS (unami) says: March 5, 2019 at 4:49 pm OttoZeit says: Spuddie says: March 5, 2019 at 3:30 pm February 25, 2019 at 8:44 pm Shawnie5 says: TS (unami) says: ChuckW says: February 26, 2019 at 9:25 am Shawnie5 says: To clarify, are you asserting that Jesus is the only church leader or something else? You say, ” NOWHERE in the Scriptures does it say homosexuality is the worst sin. NOWHERE.” You are correct. However, nowhere in the scriptures, does it say it is not a sin. In fact, it is condemned repeatedly in both the old and new testaments. It is however the only sin that progressives insist on celebrating by performing same sex marriages and sponsorship of gay pride parades. For me, that is where the line is crossed. Jesus also didn’t say much of anything about incest, as you may realize. Does that mean, as you seem to imply, that he condoned “intergenerational sex” (incest)? You seem to be suggesting that Jesus’ silence on a subject like incest, or homosexual conduct, indicates his approval of such sexual behaviors, which are otherwise condemned and forbidden everywhere else they are mentioned in the Bible. Surely that is not your intention! Jesus came, by His own admission, “to fulfill the Law and the Prophets,” meaning the moral law of God, not to contradict or otherwise diminish it in any way. The reason Jesus didn’t address incest—or homosexuality—is because the Hebrew (Israelite/Jewish) people, throughout their history, were well taught that homosexual acts (and incest) are grave sins according to God’s unchangeable, timeless moral law. Homosexual behavior, in particular, is said to be an abomination (see Exodus 20:13). As a result, these specific sins were not common among God’s people, so unnatural and abhorrent were they correctly thought to be; for this reason, Jesus didn’t need to speak about them. Divorce, on the other hand, was much more of a common problem among the Israelites/Jews, due to “the hardness of men’s hearts,” as Jesus Himself said. Thus Jesus recognized the need to devote time to teaching and preaching about divorce, hoping to dissuade His followers from resorting to this practice. It was not a surprise. Our bishops are ultra-liberal, and our people are traditional. They’ve voted against homosexual ordination and marriage for 50 years every time.This paper needs to do a bit of research That’s because you don’t see adulterers banding together to try to legitimize what they do. If they were organized like the crowd promoting homosexuality, then perhaps you would see a conservative response to it and you could make this comparison. This comparison fails because it tries to portray conservative opinions on the matter as an attack, when in reality the conservative stance is a defensive one. “I’m doctor of Psychology and also (a self proclaimed) Biblical Scholar.” Don’t quit your day job. It is highly unusual for someone to speak intelligently, plainly and with common sense in these comments. You are going to stick out like a sore thumb. The fear conservatives harbor that the acceptance of homosexuality will lead to the downfall of Christian civilization is as unfounded as Trump supporters’ fear that brown people are invading from the south to rape their women and take their jobs. All conservatives fear change – that’s a given. Unfortunately for them, the world is forever changing. While they may have won this particular battle, they’re losing the war in the court of public opinion where in less than a generation their smaller, purer church will cease to exist.Enjoy your hollow victory while you can, conservative Methodists. Tempus fugit. March 5, 2019 at 1:27 pm D.M.S. says: March 1, 2019 at 1:55 pm Ben in Oakland says: HpO says: There are only 6 passages in the bible that potentially refer to same-sex behavior. Three Old Testament; three New Testament. The Revised Standard Version (RSV) of the Bible in 1946 was the first to translate Greek words associated with same-sex behavior as “homosexual.” So, depending on your age, that means that the bibles your parents and grandparents grew up with – just a couple generations ago – did not condemn “homosexuality” because that word wasn’t introduced to the scripture until quite recently! February 26, 2019 at 8:31 am Love your avatar, @FemnstSponti:disqus 🙂 <3 March 5, 2019 at 4:43 pm February 26, 2019 at 2:54 pm February 26, 2019 at 3:35 pm Sandi in EL says: March 5, 2019 at 5:23 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:46 am D.M.S. says: That would the same God/Jesus/HolySpirit that condemns same sex sexual relationships in Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 and Romans 1:26-32? JP says: February 26, 2019 at 5:21 pm March 5, 2019 at 11:37 pm BUT I love banana “split”!“A banana split is an ice cream-based dessert. In its traditional form it is served in a long dish called a boat. A banana is cut in half lengthwise (hence the name) and laid in the dish. There are many variations, but the classic banana split is made with three scoops of ice cream (one each of vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry) served between the split banana. A sauce or sauces (chocolate, strawberry, and caramel are traditional) are drizzled onto the ice cream, then crushed nuts (generally peanuts or walnuts is optional) and whipped cream (optional), then topped with a maraschino cherry.” Anti-homosexuality is itself a whim of cultural fashion. It is only in recent decades that it was looked down upon or considered “incompatible with Christian teaching” and as culture shifts again, so too does the church’s view on the matter. Exactly what I often ask the evangelical atheists who loiter around here. Wayne Major says: They don’t uphold Catholic Christianity (or Coptic Christianity) either — what’s your point? February 27, 2019 at 4:25 pm Adam says: rushevents says: Shawnie5 says: HpO says: February 27, 2019 at 9:36 am HpO says: February 26, 2019 at 9:04 am my spiritual, emotional, and intellectual integrity?You should read it.NIV: You shall have no other gods beforeme.NKJV: You shall have no other gods before me.Living Bible: You may worship no other god than me. hslightly different menaing).ASV: Thou shalt have no other gods [b]before me.Geneva: Thou shalt have none other gods before me.KJV: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.Sounds pretty definitive. I can keep doing this all day. Good, that’ll teach you to behave next time! I have some sense of your fear of certain churches. My younger brother suffered unwanted same-sex attraction and committed suicide at age 20 (1970). He had never experienced “homophobia”. Shortly before he died, he said to me, “I’ve been reading the Bible, and I’m condemned to hell.” I tried to convince him otherwise, but, at that point did not have enough of God’s wisdom to do so. The gospel writer says that “Jesus came, full of Truth and Grace.” Churches that focus on Grace and neglect Truth are false shepherds. I made a decision as a teenager that I didn’t need to share my same-sex attraction with others; it would be up to God and me to work it out. I decided to follow his word as best I could. As years passed and I researched homosexuality, I realized that there was a spiritual/emotional aspect to my attraction, most likely due to a lack of emotional connection with my father (who always criticized, never complemented). So I sought non-sexual affirmation from other men. I believe we can have God-pleasing relationships with others of the same sex when the goal is spiritual unity (John 17). But sexual relationships with the same sex goes against God’s word. The goal is spiritual (not sexual) unity. In the same way that baptism is simply an outward sign of a dying-to-self/rising-to-new-life-in-Christ, sex between a man and a woman should be the outward sign of the deeper reality of a spiritual unity. By the way he designed our bodies, that unity of flesh to signify unity of spirit can only be between a man and a woman. How I wish I had understood that before I got married. If you ever feel depressed/suicidal and need someone to talk to, please call me 704-256-4269 (no mobile). I’m praying for you. Sandi in EL says: Spuddie says: Ben in Oakland says: Can you say, EXCELLENT?EXCELLENT: “Vot[ing] to maintain bans on same-sex weddings and ordination of gay clergy … if formally approved, could drive supporters of LGBT inclusion to leave America’s second-largest Protestant denomination [and] allow disaffected churches to leave the denomination while keeping their property.”EXCELLENT: ” About 43 percent of the delegates in St. Louis are from abroad, mostly from Africa, and overwhelmingly support the LGBT bans. … [They] ‘stand with the global church, not a culturally liberal church elite in the U.S.'”Source: David Crary and Jim Salter, “United Methodist Church on edge of breakup over LGBT stand”, Associated Press, February 25, 2019. If you don’t consider Jesus to be THE Leader of the Church, then we have nothing more to discuss. I call them as I see them. I guess you think I am a sentient octopus.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Takoyaki_and_octopus_restaurant_chaojikazu_in_Dotonbori.jpg🙂 February 26, 2019 at 11:04 am DougH says: February 26, 2019 at 4:26 pm Of course they’re not.But if any clergy officiates a re -marriage for anything else other than infidelity. They will have to answer to God/Jesus for their sin of this act of remarriage. Is Jesus GOD? I’m saint D.M.S. You mean like the Council of Bishops did around 400 A.D. or so when they voted on which books to include in the Bible??? LOL Oh, and concerning governments are suppose to be democracies, that is not what the “Divine Right of Kings” says in the Bible. Then they are living in adultery, aren’t they — even if remarried. February 26, 2019 at 6:42 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:33 am February 26, 2019 at 9:11 am D.M.S. says: He blesses them regularly with the fact that homosexuality is a sin. You’re putting words in my mouth.I never made the statement that God/Jesus reprimands anyone for plural marriages in the Old Testament. DougH says: March 5, 2019 at 6:03 pm Sandi in EL says: February 26, 2019 at 11:30 am Ben in Oakland says: February 26, 2019 at 1:53 pm Perhaps you can tell us whose “pais” (lover) Jairus’ 12-year-old daughter was?Even better, how did Jesus get to be the “pais” (lover) of God the Father? Or his fore-father David before Him??? No human being is “useless”. His point was that the *percentage* (7%) was “useless” –which it is, as a cultural indication or a social influence. OttoZeit says: March 5, 2019 at 7:38 pm ChuckW says: We are going to have to agree to disagree. In the context of the question in v 12 of whether it is better to not marry vs. Divorce it makes no sense that Jesus would say this as a simple point of conversation. I doubt seriously his disciples would not have reacted strongly.Not only that, his tacit approval or neutrality would directly contradict Paul later in the NT. HpO says: OttoZeit says: March 5, 2019 at 5:53 pm Penny Reynolds Roberson says: D.M.S. says: Spuddie says: Shawnie5 says: Jason Carrier says: D.M.S. says: March 5, 2019 at 9:13 pm The conference in St. Louis has nothing to do with what Jesus says about gay people. But if it did, I imagine that 99.9% of the delegates would affirm and agree that Jesus loves gay people. But that’s not what we’re talking about.Some of those who wrote following the crucifixion expressed views about homosexuality, and I believe that their words are inspired by Divine revelation, but that’s not what we’re talking about either.We’re talking about gay marriage.And Jesus clearly defined what marriage is in the Gospels, and even referred to Genesis as the source of God’s plan concerning sexuality. February 26, 2019 at 7:02 pm But what it really boils down to, of course, is what various people think is God’s will, since no one truly knows the mind of God. Isn’t that right? Spuddie says: TS (unami) says: Only because most of the Episcopal churches were foolish enough to agree to the Dennis canon.Which, we see now, was truly a deal with the Devil. Sandi in EL says: Christ taught all over the Bible how homosexuality is a sin I thought his first language was Chinese. DougH says: Slicey says: How hateful of you. Adam says: Your confusion is that you base your comment on ‘peoples’ interpretation.’ The only interpretation that will ultimately matter is God’s interpretation. We are to read and pray that God brings us to His interpretation of what He’s told us in His Word. It isn’t impossible – God generally says exactly what He means in Scripture, and it is understandable unless it is prophesy. Understanding it is never the real challenge. The real challenge is applying it to our lives. That is the struggle that we have until we leave this earth. @Gehennah:disqus — it finally happened. After what, almost four years now on Disqus?, I invoked Godwin’s Law. 🙁 February 28, 2019 at 11:36 pm “Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other! From now on families will be split apart, three in favor of me, and two against—or two in favor and three against.“Father will be divided against son, and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother…” Who promotes discrimination of gays?We’re all sinners.There – all equal.Feel better now? February 27, 2019 at 4:15 pm Sandi in EL says: February 28, 2019 at 7:53 pm OttoZeit says: February 26, 2019 at 8:54 pm Sandi in EL says: February 26, 2019 at 9:37 am Au contraire!!!! I get called out all the time for telling the truth, but that still doesn’t change the truth…. I encourage a challenge. So far, you haven’t demonstrated one. If I sound condescending, it’s because I’ve been condemned for feeling the way I do for most of my 60 years on this earth. People who are blessed to be in the mainstream look down on me, a social minority, and condemn me for not being like them. Everyone including Moses, Peter, and Paul all seem willing to claim the gay woman I am, the love I feel for my wife, is somehow, and abomination; a claim I reject, but one you seem willing to promulgate. Do you know how many LGBTQ kids have lost hope under the duress you and people like you place them. Do you know what it’s like to pray to God to make you straight, because we are told that “God can fix us if we pray… properly,” only to remain the gay person you were born? All you want is to find that special person, just like you did, fall in love, and start a family, only to be called disgusting and vile; unworthy of God’s mercy. Do you know what it’s like to decide that you no longer want or deserve the life God gave you because you’ve been told that life is disgusting and fraught with sin? Have you stood on the precipice of suicide because you believe those hateful words, and that you don’t deserve life because of what you are? “Live alone and celibate you say. Yeah. YOU try that and tell me how it works out. I know those who tried. They (not surprisingly) had moments of failure. That failure brought them AIDS. They’re gone now. It was agonizing for them. Had they not been told this, perhaps they would have found someone and settled down into a nice monogamous relationship. Perhaps they would be alive today. Some of us have survived the self hate. Some of us haven’t. If I seem condescending, I have reasons. I still mourn their loss. They were wonderful people. I lay their deaths at your feet.You and people like you claim we are less that, in the face of Jesus, the Son of God, the Word that became flesh, who never condemned gay people. There were gay people in His day, and He never spoke a word against us. By my reading, He understood that we are born the way we are, and cautioned that being gay would be a difficult thing. He supported a same-sex relationship by (by my reading and understanding) healing the Centurion’s lover. He condemned a lot of things, including the judgment laid upon us. The judgement YOU lay upon us.Before you tell me to “get help,” I have. I’m better now. I’m a working professional, a well regarded business owner. I’m happily married with two healthy, productive grown children. I no longer keep it in. Now I am willing to tell you just how evil your words are. You will know a tree by its fruit Jesus said. The fruit of your words are death and misery among my people. And you accuse me of being condescending. February 25, 2019 at 10:40 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:14 pm Christ taught against the sin in the book of Leviticus, with penalties prescribed elsewhere. February 25, 2019 at 11:06 pm TS (unami) says: February 26, 2019 at 8:19 am February 26, 2019 at 6:03 pm TS (unami) says: JD says: A blatant lie. I read all three. Nothing in there remotely approaching endorsement of homosexuality. February 28, 2019 at 8:48 pm The NT canon list we have dates from the middle of the 2nd century AD. With the exception of James, Hebrews and the Petrine epistles, it is identical to the NT we have today.It even includes the explanation for why certain popular Christian works were not accepted as scripture — because they came after the times of the apostles. Spuddie says: C C says: Spuddie says: February 26, 2019 at 11:10 am C C says: HpO says: D.M.S. says: Nope. First, for Christians Jesus invalidated what the Old Testament has to say about divorce when he sided with the Shammai school of Jewish theology on the issue—but what he said applies to men, he doesn’t say anything about the grounds on which women can divorce their husbands (for the simple reason that the question Jesus was answering didn’t involve women). Then later Paul accepts divorce for cases of abandonment for both sexes, specifically in cases where an unbelieving spouse abandons a believing spouse. But what neither Jesus nor Paul accepts is no-fault divorce as the Hillel school essentially did. So there may be some murkiness on precisely what grounds there should be for divorce, but no murkiness at all about the need for there to be grounds and serious ones. Ken Fishman says: C C says: March 5, 2019 at 11:34 pm He knows the day now.He’s GOD in heaven again. Ms. Honeycutt is mistaken. Diversity in opinions is one thing.But diversity in the application of law does not make anything stronger except disorder. March 6, 2019 at 12:10 am Yep. blogcom says: You are projecting upon me the sin of pride that many others committed against you. I hear your pain. You didn’t and don’t deserve it. But I didn’t do the things you are projecting on me. And I reject your attempt to do so. In no way are you less human or less loved by God than anyone else. I have family that are gay and married. I have family that are conservative Christians too who believe same sex intercourse is a sin. When they get together, do you know what they do? Hug and say I missed you. They respect each other’s beliefs and ways of life despite disagreeing. I didn’t say any of the many wrongful things that you accuse me of saying that others clearly did. Despite that, churches (and any org for that matter) have the right to believe what they want and have lead them who they want. It is not hateful for believing something is wrong or a sin, but it is wrong for someone to compel or shame another into abiding by what they believe, as has clearly been done to you. I thought I was clear with my points. God loves you. And how you choose to live your life is your choice and yours alone. God also believes some actions are sin, among them some of mine. God also doesn’t want the unrepentant to lead the church, regardless of the sin that a person is not repenting from. But all are welcome to his church. The Bible seems clear on those points. February 26, 2019 at 12:53 pm February 26, 2019 at 12:35 am DougH says: February 26, 2019 at 6:56 pm February 25, 2019 at 10:38 pm February 26, 2019 at 11:27 am Tempered by Scripture I hope. God was NEVER open to everything, and God’s people should not be either. Part of the issue is thatmost people are not flaunting their sin nor attempting to convert young minds to embrace it. Most Christians don’t want to know what ANYONE’S sin is – and therein lies the rub! I do not need to have that much information about anybody! February 26, 2019 at 12:19 am So slavery is okay?Stoning others?I also notice the Bible says nothing about Priests who prey on Children, so I am going to guess that’s good too (after all it’s not a sin in your Bible) None of what I said was a “diatribe”. Your anxious attention-grabbing drama is rather sad, tbh. March 5, 2019 at 8:07 pm So is Priest who prey on children lower on the Sin scale? Or not at all? Is it even a sliding scale? Do you get points? February 25, 2019 at 10:51 pm Ben in Oakland says: February 26, 2019 at 11:23 pm I can’t speak to the “obsessions” of other people. But I think that the people who are obsessed with homosexuality are far fewer than you think. But to your other point, you can read the first commandment and rightly interpret those words as including quite a bit of behavior that places self, and self interest, ahead of Him as the one and only God, and thus displeasing Him, who wishes only our good, as being outside the realm of His acceptance.And then you can go even further, into the New Covenant, and read the words of Jesus concerning the issues that are in play. February 26, 2019 at 2:57 pm Christ does not make anyone a homosexual. He is not going to make someone intended to go to Hell. He is not going to make someone with what He has called, “unnatural affections” to do “shameless acts” that are an “error”. Not going to happen. Your stock of deflections is impressive. And after deploying your latest (OK, so it wasn’t a “diatribe…we’ll just call it an “anguished, virtue-signaling outburst”), you STILL haven’t even acknowledged, much less engaged, the point I’ve repeatedly made, namely: You twisted HpO’s words to falsely accuse him of bearing a bad attitude toward a favored victim group. His actual comment neither says nor implies anything of the kind. There’s really nothing else of substance to discuss – this time – but you still refuse to do it. Adam says: TS (unami) says: February 25, 2019 at 10:35 pm TS (unami) says: Again, how does one “read the rest of scripture in light of Christ”? But “gay … I’m not”, you “admit[ted] when you wrote as “JD … 4 months ago … 6 months ago … 8 months ago … a year ago”. “But I do have an adult intersex and trans kid … I am … very devout in my path … I’ve walked this path my entire life. I want for nothing nor seek no other path. … My path … has … many … concepts and wisdoms. I’ve had many amazing conversations from people from many walks of life. … I can sit down and tell you stories that would curl your hair and leave you in tears. … [But] yes, I am often times rather blunt … to get a point across and even then most times it’s simply dismissed. … The simple and most profound truth is that [I am] loved beyond measure. [I am] the most precious jewel in all creation; past, present or ever will be. [I am] one-of-a-kind, unique and incredibly precious. Therefore the Divine loves [me] beyond measure. The Divine has so much faith, devotion and love for [me], love so profound; that if I could just tap into the tiniest Inkling of that fath, love and devotion that I could literally move mountains.” D.M.S. says: I’m very sorry for your experiences and tragedies. I’m also sorry that you’ve come to the conclusion that God is against same-sex sexual relationships. And I don’t say that in a patronizing way. Just know that many have studied the same scripture and have come to the opposite conclusion. We believe God loves us and wants us to be happy, and that happiness does not come from living a life of restriction or celibacy. That we have gifts to offer the church, that being gay or being in a same-sex relationship does not keep us away from God, does not prevent us from the joy of following Jesus, and does not prevent us from fully sharing our gifts with the church. The high risk of suicide from those who hear negative messages from their church is one of the biggest reasons that the church needs to move forward on this issue and not teach young people that they are less than because of who they love. No UMC should be teaching these messages anyway, as gay people are fully welcome in our church! Today’s decision is about gay clergy and performing same-sex marriage only. So, I would hope that no one has been turned away from any UMC or told they can’t marry. Gay people can marry and attend UMC, they just can’t have their marriage performed by UMC clergy, but they are otherwise fully welcome to participate in church at every level. Parker12 says: TS (unami) says: Governments are supposed to be democracies or republics. Churches are not. There is no religious doctrine which can be correctly determined by voting. What you can do with these exercises Is split denominations and split churches. Protestantism has a rich history of doing this. kso721 says: Widuran says: February 26, 2019 at 12:40 pm As one who has personally dealt with same-sex attraction (never gay – LGBTQ are sexual abnormalities, not identities), I fear God more than man. Man can only kill the body; God can kill both body and soul. Don’t indulge your ego at the expense of your soul. The true church can never accept homosexuality because God’s word tells us it is a sin – that is, it is ultimately self-destructive. I affirm my true identity as God’s beloved child and seek to please him. Jesus rightly said, “If you try to hang onto your life, you will lose it. But if you lose it for my sake, you will gain it.” I suspect that you can’t understand that presently. Suggest reading God’s words seriously. The world may change, but God’s word stands forever. God never changes. I’m following him. Sandi in EL says: March 6, 2019 at 8:54 am God/Jesus did create human beings. He did not create human beings actions that are detestable to Him. Those human beings did those detestable attributes all on their own. How many times do I have to repeat this.Yes. All 3 of Him. March 5, 2019 at 5:39 pm Penny Reynolds Roberson says: Widuran says: March 6, 2019 at 8:55 am A very good question. To all Hornet Stories fans (and you know who you are):FYII (For Your Insult to Intelligence):“[For the album cover of] TARKUS – ELP (Island, 1971) … artist William Neal reveals how the creation of the legendary armadillo-tank creature almost drove him to distraction … ‘I excel with musical links and I always have. I loved it and that’s my thing. Even at school when we were in art class when we were asked to draw whilst they played Peter And The Wolf. So I do find that, like for so many other people, music does give me pictures. I love that and it’s what I do. … [Keith Emerson, Greg Lake and Carl Palmer] were all delighted and the excitement at that particular time was tangible. We all felt that there was something pretty big going on. It’s extraordinary that something as innocuous as a little drawing turned out to be an album cover. It’s still talked about in an affectionate way and it seems to have, even if people didn’t like the band it seemed to typify an era and I think that is probably what it is.'”ERGO: No talk or even mention by Tarkus’ own cover artist of the ElleGeeBeeTease Rainbow Leitmotif.HENCE: RAINBOW TARKUS IS AN L.G.B.T. MYTH: Don’t even think about it! And stop with your hijacking of Emerson Lake and Palmer’s progressive rock album cover – starting now!Source: Rich Wilson, “Cover Story: ELP – Tarkus: Uncovering the stories behind great prog album artwork”, Prog, February 25, 2015. March 6, 2019 at 8:55 am Good. Some in the Methodist church are standing up for the values of the Wesley brothers.LGBT is of Satan Valley Farm says: TS (unami) says: OttoZeit says: TS (unami) says: Nope – Christ taught that we would know them by their fruit February 26, 2019 at 7:57 am February 25, 2019 at 11:09 pm Spuddie says: March 5, 2019 at 9:23 pm Trump was elected because of the alternative. Hillary defended Bill’s behavior and stayed with him for political reasons. I asked you first. Turn your tables with someone else.Abraham and David both New Gods laws. They went against His laws. How many people are going to read your last sentence as “killing YOUR self”? Asking for a friend. (I know what it means, but others may not…) So you support polygamy, Sandi? March 6, 2019 at 2:18 pm And sick March 2, 2019 at 2:21 pm JD says: If you believe God/Jesus for gave you for all of your past sins.Why wouldn’t you believe that God/Jesus wouldn’t forgive Kentucky for her past sins? TS (unami) says: C C says: So much hate in the church. My heart breaks for the wonderful families whose child comes out…..they need support, love and their church to be supportive. It is no wonder our children are not embracing the church – we no longer follow Christ. Hahahaha. Totally made up BS. February 26, 2019 at 5:13 pm February 27, 2019 at 2:31 pm February 26, 2019 at 9:59 am They listened, as it was read to them by a uncommon man. Penny Reynolds Roberson says: Widuran says: March 5, 2019 at 4:45 pm If you can support your own interpretation with the Scripture text and context, I’m willing to listen.But so far the pro-gay folks around here are a Cat-5 disappointment in that area. Go figure. JD says: So we agree then that Jesus is talking about gay men in that verse? Actually, they were talking about a man divorcing his wife just before Jesus’s comment, so the conversation was surrounding male-female relationships. In those days, they didn’t understand marriage the way we do today. The men literally took custody/ownership/responsibility for the care of his wife Women were considered a man’s inferior/possession. It was more than just marrying as we know it today. “Gamēsai” would have literally meant “taking a wife.”As a side note, understanding the prevailing attitude toward women establishes an interesting backdrop to Jesus’s treatment of Mary Magdalene. He elevated her to the equal of his other disciples, to the point he chose her to be the first witness of his resurrection, and made her the Apostle to the Apostles. That was quite irritating to both Peter and Paul. But that’s a subject for a different discussion. I’m not the one claiming that Jesus wants us to follow the OT Law — that’s ALL you, mister. February 27, 2019 at 1:49 pm March 6, 2019 at 3:34 pm February 26, 2019 at 10:23 am Sandi in EL says: Meaning, that they are heretics and schismatics. But please please not the Canadian singer Leonard Cohen’s version of Hallelujah What is your problem?If you’ve read his other comments you’d see how virulently anti-gay he is. Have fun scrolling through other threads he’s been in…Furthermore, YOU came to me and created a NON-issue and have been pushing for a fight ever since.Take your petulant antagonism elsewhere; I have adults to converse with instead. February 25, 2019 at 6:53 pm TS (unami) says: OttoZeit says: Sandi in EL says: You write 1000 words and I am the one that is “worked up”? All I can say is that your stance contradicts the rest of the NEW testament (not to mention the OT)It is my thought that Jesus would have loved and embraced a gay person just as he did the adulteress. (and may have with the centurian’s pais as you say) But while shaming and admonishing the mob that was to stone her he also, after assuring him of his love also instructed her to “go and sin no more” I do not get to choose what part of scripture to ignore. Either it is the word of God or it is not. So homosexuality is not permissible, but pedophile priests are welcome? hmmm Seems to me, Christianity has lost it’s way. Elagabalus says: Jason Carrier says: You did didn’t you?Although the context used was more in snark so I don’t think it counts truly. February 25, 2019 at 10:09 pm I saw at least one person say that they plan to leave the UMC for the UCC. I’m a member of the UCC, and I am proud to be a queer Christian. I hold your pain in my heart; we all do. Whether you decide to join the UCC or just need support through this time, we stand with you.To those saying “why not just leave; why try to change the UMC?”: Being affirmed in one’s own tradition is important. Knowing that it’s safe to be yourself in your church is really important in a world that often rejects you. The UCC wasn’t always on board with LGBTQ rights (though we were much earlier than the other mainline denominations). Why are we now? People who wanted to be a congregationalist and be affirmed as a whole person fought long and hard. There are Catholics and Mormons fighting that fight. Staying is hard; leaving is just as hard.For those who plan to leave the UMC: There are times when one needs to walk away, when the pain is too great to bear. Others will be able to continue the fight, and they will be that much further than they would have been if not for you. Please take care of yourself, and know that we in the UCC are praying for you. February 26, 2019 at 2:18 pm February 26, 2019 at 2:44 pm Yes, before she became a Christian.She didn’t become a Christian until after her 5th marriage.But God Only sees her in her 1st marriage. TS (unami) says: There’s no need to bring it up, much less keep it up. There are many ways to sin. Clinging to homosexual behavior is only one of them They’re are many followers of Christ today who say things that don’t coincide with what Christ said. Paul was speaking to several specific churches, and yet you extrapolate literally everything — women subjugated to property status and kept silent, for example. Penny Reynolds Roberson says: March 6, 2019 at 5:14 pm Just that one time? TS (unami) says: While the world is forever changing, the Word of God does not change. In those areas where a God has made His thoughts clear, there is no room for negotiation. That is not being “conservative.” Following God’s Word is being Christian. Who is “BH”? Are you talking to me, some imaginary doppelgänger version of me, or some undisclosed 3rd party? There is more than one way to interpret scripture. I would encourage you to read “God and the Gay Christian” by Matthew Vines. What other identities do I have? I am an American, I am a student, I have a disability, I am a Christian Penny Reynolds Roberson says: February 26, 2019 at 4:37 pm February 26, 2019 at 9:19 am Jason Carrier says: Adam says: February 26, 2019 at 11:58 am Penny Reynolds Roberson says: March 5, 2019 at 9:21 pm Sandi in EL says: D.M.S. says: HpO says: Sandi in EL says: OttoZeit says: Please let me know why you think it is relevant or important that Christians hold the “court of public opinion” in the center of their hearts.Jesus didn’t win in the court of public opinion and neither will we.And I do not believe that homosexuality alone will lead to the downfall of civilization, and change is not necessarily progress or improvement. Many that were eventually rejected, yet were considered to be holy scripture at the time… Many of the greatest Scientific Discoveries were and are made by devout Christians. I have 1 BS Degree, 2 Masters and at the IRB of PhD Dissertation Phase…A Doctoral Candidate…Many of my brothers and sisters are highly educated…your snotty PC attitude is unimpressive D.M.S. says: Religious_Left says: If your beliefs agree with the UCC why not go there? Why insist on changing the UMC? March 5, 2019 at 11:23 pm February 26, 2019 at 7:36 am TS (unami) says: Parker12 says: February 26, 2019 at 11:55 am Satan’s deception is working well.I wish you well also and hope you will take God’s word seriously. Hallelujah Sandi in EL says: Share This! Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn ReddIt Email
Listen To embed this piece of audio in your site, please use this code: Share A lot can happen in a week. Some of it good. Some of it bad. Some of it downright ugly. When faced with intriguing developments in the week’s news, we turn to a rotating panel of “non-experts” to parse The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly of it all.This week, our panel weighs in on these stories: Newly released video from Sandra Bland’s cell phone prompts family members to call for her case to be reopened A state lawmaker uses the word “sorcery” in a Twitter exchange over vaccine exemptionOur panel of non-experts this week includes:Mustafa Tameez, media and public affairs consultant and managing director of Outreach StrategistsDavid Branham, professor of political science at the University of Houston-DowntownLisa Falkenberg, editor of opinion for the Houston Chronicle X 00:00 /20:00
This document is subject to copyright. Apart from any fair dealing for the purpose of private study or research, no part may be reproduced without the written permission. The content is provided for information purposes only. New measure of gravitational constant higher than expected A team of researchers affiliated with several institutions in China and one in Russia has devised two new ways to measure the gravitational constant. In their paper published in the journal Nature, the group describes the two methods and how accurate they were. Stephan Schlamminger with the National Institute of Standards and Technology in the U.S. writes a News & Views piece on the work done by the team in the same journal edition. Explore further Comparison with previous results. G values obtained in this work compared with recent measurements . Credit: Nature (2018). DOI: 10.1038/s41586-018-0431-5 Journal information: Nature More information: Qing Li et al. Measurements of the gravitational constant using two independent methods, Nature (2018). DOI: 10.1038/s41586-018-0431-5AbstractThe Newtonian gravitational constant, G, is one of the most fundamental constants of nature, but we still do not have an accurate value for it. Despite two centuries of experimental effort, the value of G remains the least precisely known of the fundamental constants. A discrepancy of up to 0.05 per cent in recent determinations of G suggests that there may be undiscovered systematic errors in the various existing methods. One way to resolve this issue is to measure G using a number of methods that are unlikely to involve the same systematic effects. Here we report two independent determinations of G using torsion pendulum experiments with the time-of-swing method and the angular-acceleration-feedback method. We obtain G values of 6.674184 × 10−11 and 6.674484 × 10−11 cubic metres per kilogram per second squared, with relative standard uncertainties of 11.64 and 11.61 parts per million, respectively. These values have the smallest uncertainties reported until now, and both agree with the latest recommended value within two standard deviations. Gravity is one of the four fundamental forces of nature (the others are the weak and strong interaction and electromagnetism). Despite hundreds of years of concerted effort by scientists around the world, there is still no explanation for how it works. Adding to the frustration is the fact that no one has been able to find a way to measure its actual force—scientists have been trying to do that for hundreds of years, as well. In modern times, researchers have come very close, however—the current accepted value is 6.67408 × 10−11 m3 kg-1 s-2. In this new effort, researchers working in China have modified a standard way of measuring the gravitational constant—torsion pendulums. The method was first devised by Henry Cavendish back in 1798, and since then, has been modified many times to make it more accurate.In the first approach, the researchers built a device consisting of a silica plate coated with metal hung in the air by a wire. Two steel balls provided a gravitational attraction. The force of gravity was measured by noting how much the wire twisted. The second approach was similar to the first, except that the plate was hung from a spinning turntable that kept the wire in place. In such an apparatus, the gravitational force was measured by noting the rotation of the turntable.In both approaches, the researchers added features to prevent interference from nearby objects and disturbances, including seismic. They report measurements of 6.674484 × 10−11 and 6.674184 × 10−11m3 kg-1 s-2—both of which, the team claims, are more precise than other previous measurements. Citation: Two new ways to measure the gravitational constant (2018, August 30) retrieved 18 August 2019 from https://phys.org/news/2018-08-ways-gravitational-constant.html © 2018 Phys.org
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Videos | Cardiac Imaging | July 30, 2019 VIDEO: Assessing Cardiovascular Risk in Ultra-endurance Athletes Nate Bachman, graduate read more The top piece of content in July was a video interview explaining how Princess Margaret Cancer Center is using machine learning to create automated treatment plans. This was a hot topic at the American Association of Physicists in Medicine (AAPM) 2019 meeting in July. Videos | Radiology Business | August 02, 2019 VIDEO: Key Topics for Radiology Administrators at AHRA 2019 Association for Medical Imaging Management (AHRA) President … read more Feature | Information Technology | July 31, 2019 | By Greg Freiherr How Smart Devices Can Improve Efficiency Innovation is trending toward improved efficiency — but not at the expense of patient safety, according to… read more News | CT Angiography (CTA) | August 06, 2019 Artificial Intelligence Improves Heart Attack Risk Assessment When used with a common heart scan, machine learning, a type of artificial intelligence (AI), does better than… read more News | Cardiovascular Ultrasound | August 07, 2019 Contrast Use in First Transthoracic Echocardiogram for Heart Failure Reduces Repeat Testing Heart failure is the fourth most common cause for all admission to U.S. hospitals, and it is the most common reason for… read more Related Content Video Player is loading.Key Topics for Radiology Administrators at AHRA 2019Play VideoPlayMuteCurrent Time 0:00/Duration 7:33Loaded: 2.15%Stream Type LIVESeek to live, currently playing liveLIVERemaining Time -7:33 Playback Rate1xChaptersChaptersDescriptionsdescriptions off, selectedCaptionscaptions settings, opens captions settings dialogcaptions off, selectedAudio Trackdefault, selectedFullscreenThis is a modal window.Beginning of dialog window. 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Videos | Cardiac Imaging | July 30, 2019 VIDEOS | EP LAB | JULY 26, 2019 VIDEO: What Electrophysiologists Need From CT Imaging Prior to AF and VT Ablations Mark Ibrahim, M.D., F read more Videos | CT Angiography (CTA) | August 07, 2019 VIDEO: Walk Around of a Siemens Go.Top Dedicated Cardiac Scanner This is a quick walk around of the new Siemens Somatom Go.top cardiovascular edition compact computed tomography (CT) read more News | Radiology Business | August 01, 2019 Philips Completes Acquisition of Carestream Health’s HCIS Business … read more Feature | August 05, 2019 | Dave Fornell, Editor Most Popular Radiology and Radiotherapy Topics in July 2019 August 5, 2019 — Here is the list of the most popular content on the Imaging Technology New (ITN) magazine website fr read more Videos | CT Angiography (CTA) | August 07, 2019 VIDEO: Walk Around of a GE Cardiographe Dedicated Cardiac CT Scanner This is a quick walk around of the GE Healthcare Cardiographe dedicated cardiac CT system on display at the… read more February 25, 2016 — Investing in Toshiba Medical, which is seeking potential partners, is likely to deliver strong returns for companies looking to expand into the diagnostic imaging space, according to an analyst with research and consulting firm GlobalData. This could be particularly attractive in the Japanese market, according to the analyst. Thanks to a growing population with a steady demand for non-invasive diagnostic procedures, imaging devices have remained a lucrative investment, and GlobalData forecasts that the global diagnostic imaging market will be valued at $42.4 billion by 2020.As Sarah Janer, GlobalData’s analyst covering medical devices, explained: “Toshiba Medical is a steady performer and its sales make up 10 percent of the thriving global market, which is tempting for companies looking to break into diagnostic imaging.“Japanese firms are especially interested, as Toshiba Medical possesses 19.2 percent of the diagnostic imaging market in Japan. Canon Inc. and Fujifilm are stepping up to bid, and while both offer digital radiography devices, heavy investment in Toshiba Medical could expand their range to computed tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) systems.”GlobalData estimates that the current markets for CT and MRI devices are expanding at compound annual growth rates of 14.3 and 10.4 percent, respectively.Janer noted: “Investment opportunities are so attractive that Toshiba’s CEO Masashi Muromachi has hinted at already receiving opening bids significantly higher than the reported asking price of $3 billion for an 80 percent share. Canon and Fujifilm have partnered with other firms to improve the strength of their bid, demonstrating a strong eagerness to invest.“Certainly, as both companies have less than a 3 percent share of the global diagnostic imaging market, a buyout could significantly boost their chances of competing with imaging titans like Siemens or GE Healthcare.”Although Toshiba ranks fourth for global market share, collaboration could lead to innovation and some fierce competition down the road, depending on what percentage of Toshiba Medical is sold off.Janer continued: “A 51 percent percent company share could result in some collaboration, but Toshiba’s restructuring plans would need to succeed. Full investment would result in a more stable outlook and a market share increase of up to 20 percent for the successful buyer, according to GlobalData.” For more information: www.globaldata.com FacebookTwitterLinkedInPrint分享